I got a good chuckle tonight when I did a hop step after making a save. It's just one of those things I do sometimes without conscious thought, which is probably what most goalies do...
3. keep an inside edge and stay in control at all times while moving laterally.
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From the replay of last night's first Detroit goal, (the replay view from behind the goal), Turco hopped from left to right, and by all appearances used the inside and outside edge to stop, and in essence stopped his momentum to the right.
Would two strong shuffles to the right, with continuing momentum at the end of shuffle two been more effective?
My answer is I don't know if, that was a wicked backhand shot, but thought I'd discuss the point.
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From the replay of last night's first Detroit goal, (the replay view from behind the goal), Turco hopped from left to right, and by all appearances used the inside and outside edge to stop, and in essence stopped his momentum to the right.
Would two strong shuffles to the right, with continuing momentum at the end of shuffle two been more effective?
My answer is I don't know if, that was a wicked backhand shot, but thought I'd discuss the point.
The goal in question here happens in this highlight vid at the 40 sec mark...well the hop step that is.
I watched this live and immediately said 'HOP STEP!' The post mortum of the goal shows that while the play is still to the outside and shifts to the slot, he does a double hop to the middle of the net then makes a slight correction to his left. At that moment Datsyuk puts it by him with a sweet backhander.
Now, this vid doesn't show the view behind Turks that Cubes is talking about, and it is a bit grainy so it is hard to see what really happened.
When Turks 'corrected' his angle to the left, he actually lost his angle and center to the net. The puck doesn't go around Turco, rather it takes a sharp angle through the 6/7 hole off the post and in.
To me this says that he did not feel as if he was square and centered, so he corrected, and on a backhand none the less, which almost always goes back against the grain, i.e. the shooter has trouble 'pushing' a backhand from that distance.
Upon further reflection it occurred to me that maybe Turco thought he was off angle, which send me tripping down the path that says to me that while this is a method of moving, is it precise? Meaning, you know with a shuffle exactly where you are in regards to the net based upon the strength and length of the shuffle. Same holds true with regard to a T-Push. You can basically mentally 'measure' the distance traveled using these two techniques. I am not so sure that a hop step, where you actually leave the ice for a split second, you'd need to be able to mentally measure your distance traveled and have that recorded in your brain so you know where you are at all times, and it seems that this is not the case with this particular goal against.
Personally for me, a hop step wouldn't provide the level of precision that I need when moving. My angles need to be dead on precise and any corrections after a movement to become square can kill you if the shot is released during the correction which many times it can be, and was the case here.
Last edited by sloth2946 : 05-13-2008 at 10:01 AM.
From the replay of last night's first Detroit goal, (the replay view from behind the goal), Turco hopped from left to right, and by all appearances used the inside and outside edge to stop, and in essence stopped his momentum to the right.
Would two strong shuffles to the right, with continuing momentum at the end of shuffle two been more effective?
My answer is I don't know if, that was a wicked backhand shot, but thought I'd discuss the point.
IMO, I think Turco was caught a little too deep in his crease/not centered which caused that puck to beat him on the blocker side. He got to where he needed to be with the hope step and was set before the shot was taken from PD but I think it just beat him clean to the blocker side and it also went off the post.
Also, PD was in the zone last night!!
First goal on Turco - start the video at the .35 second mark.
i disagree with the hop step.this move reverses the correct way to move from point A to point B. a goalie must always get his angle,then sqareness,then depth in that order.if you are on angle,you are always in a better posistion than if you have depth.this can be illustrated if you put a puck in front of the net have a friend stand off angle.you can look from behind the puck and see the amount of space open.its nice to have depth,but its not required to make a save.now,dont get me wrong,it helps alot to have depth,but its not a neccesity.
the hop step reverses the order that is key to being to point B,and being completely ready.in conclusion,its not a huge time difference,but its the difference between a goal and a save.
OK I have read the thread and I just had to say that Darrin uses the hop step a lot and finds it works beautifully for him. However, that being said...when at the National Player Development tryouts in Colorado and the Rocky Mountain region they HATED IT! He was docked because of using it and had to eliminate it from his play for the remainder of the tryouts so that he wouldn't be docked any more. So for as much as I think it works and works well it seems to depend on where you are and who is evaluating you.
On a side note, all of those coaches who hated it SWORE no one at the NHL level used it and we pointed out several who do. They still denied it LOL. But Darrin did still advance to the National camp in July.
The first thing I'd like to point out is the three reasons the hop step is MORE affective then a T-Push or a shuffle in certain situations.
A hop step should NEVER be used to take the place of a shuffle number 1!!
Hop steps are used when you have to get from point A to point B as quickly as possible.
Number two; it shouldn't be used IF you have to move from a set position OUT to a pass. What I mean by this is that if you have to explode out and challenge a shooter then the correct movement is a T-push.
1. It is the quickest way from point A to point B... BAR NONE!
2. When you execute a hop step your five hole closes then opens back to stance, unlike a T-Push where you're five hole grows immensely.
3. Let me ask you all a question.... When you get set (Loaded) to make a save, what edge are you on? The answer to that question is your inside edge, which is what you always have under you when you are executing on hop step properly.
When using a T-push you have to get your lead foot onto a "rail", in other words you move from being set on an inside edge to opening the lead foot onto both edges. In order to make a save, what do you need to get back, an inside edge, so now turn your foot back to square and grab that inside edge back... I want all of you to think about the mechanics of all of this for a second then ask yourself the question again.
The third reason why a hop step in many situations (NOT ALL) is a more effective and efficient way to move laterally.
If you really want to analyze that Turco goal that was in discussion a few days ago, his mistake could be one or a combination of a couple of things.
1. Should he have used a hop step to cover such a short distance? I think I answered that question above. NO, he shouldn't have.
2. In my opinion, the reason for that particular goal is he failed to do the following. Whenever you’re moving from point A to point B, your body should follow the order of three: Head, Hands and Feet. The HEAD turns first so you know where you are going and it also gives you a chance to PHYSICALLY MAKE A SAVE. Second your HANDS turn your core which in turn helps your body stay square. Finally your FEET get you to where you need to be. Remember, these three things need to happen almost at once but in the order aforementioned.
Great talk!! I hope all of my response makes sense and if you have any questions PM me.
Here is an example where if a hop step would be executed, the save would be much more efficient and it would create less of a chance of a rebound popping back to the shooter:
Watch from around 25 seconds to around 1:50. If you notice that when he T-pushes over he isnt always set as he is still, as he is still gliding forward. This can cause sloppy gloves or give a juicy rebound out to the shooter where it'll be easy for him to bury because you will have slid way out of position and have no moment to stay with him. A hop step would assure that you are set and your gloves will be set to make the save. Also it will eliminate the oversliding so any rebound you give out , you will be able to stay with the shooter since you arent in the middle of sliding outwards.
Ok well that guy plays ACHA d1 hockey so i doubt its just some noob mistake. The fact is that if he actually took the time to set himself when he was t pushing accross and stop (be fully ready), he would get beat everytime. As he stops the shot would've already been shot. Its not a matter if a tpush is right in the situation, it is a matter that the hop step would be much more efficient.
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