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[Swedish goalie]

Do you know any off-ice drill where you train your butterfly to be faster to hit the ice?

[leaferguy]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

Do you know any off-ice drill where you train your butterfly to be faster to hit the ice?

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Sorry, feel free to delete if too stupid

[TPS_Mike]

Core strength is very important, i do a lot of core workouts and quite a few squat thrusts and jumps. I have found it to help out my butterfly in not only speed but getting down and now "compacting" as i hit the ice.

[wjmurray]

You can always practice your technique using a slideboard like the Goaler one extreme and the pad covers. My son and I use it to work technique and it is worth the money. It saves you time going to the rink and gives you a nice slippery surface to work on.

[Twiv01]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

Do you know any off-ice drill where you train your butterfly to be faster to hit the ice?

Please refer to our strength and endurance program which will help you in your overall lower body development.

link: GSBB Strength And Conditioning Workout

Hope this helps big man!

[The_Wall]

I have heard conversations that where the shooter is on the ice when he shoots should determine if the goalie should stand up, or butterfly. Is this true, and if so where are the positions on the ice where a goalie should standup? Where are the positions on the ice where you should butterfly?

At times, it seems that I instinctively butterfly regardless of the situation. If not correct, what drills can be done to enforce standing up when I should stand up, and butterflying when I should butterfly? Thanks.

[Twiv01]

Originally Posted by The_Wall

I have heard conversations that where the shooter is on the ice when he shoots should determine if the goalie should stand up, or butterfly. Is this true, and if so where are the positions on the ice where a goalie should standup? Where are the positions on the ice where you should butterfly?

At times, it seems that I instinctively butterfly regardless of the situation. If not correct, what drills can be done to enforce standing up when I should stand up, and butterflying when I should butterfly? Thanks.

This is very simple actually, it’s not a matter of when should you butterfly or "STAND UP". The question should be, when should you REACT to a shot and when should you go straight to a butterfly.

The answer depends on how tight the shot is from you; if the shot is from in tight then you should absolutely go straight to a b-fly and seal all your holes.

If you have a shooter streaking down the wing (and let's say he starts to shoot two feet inside the top of the circles) then you should REACT to the shot. Maybe the shot is on the ice and direct on, well then you'd execute a b-fly. If the shot is to the outside of your feet then you should think about using a half split. Half splits can also be used on high shots were you need to extend to make a save.

As for standing up on shots, I believe that there is really only one situation in the game where a goalie should stay up on his feet and that is from a bad angle (a shot from outside the face-off dots) BUT be careful when staying up on bad angles... There is a little trick to playing these standing up!! If you'd like to know what it is let me know and I'll shoot you back a little explanation.

Remember, b-fly (be a blocker) in tight and REACT when ever possible!! Happy goaltending!!!

Examples:

Reading and React (half split and b-fly)




Standing up on shots



Thanks again for the question and for visiting our forum!

[mikebu]

My son is 10 years old and just completed his first year of being a goalie full time, last year he played goalie half time. He is a very strong skater, has good command of his butterfly and slides, and is developing a good glove hand. His one weak area is his stick. At times sliding trapper side his stick will open up, and sometimes in the butterfly his heel will be on the ice but the toe will be off the ice. He is using a Jr size stick with a 21" paddle. While he doesn't give up alot of bad goals when he does the majority of the time it is because of his stick.

Any tips on how to improve this?

Is this a common problem and does it tend go go away on it's own?

Thanks,
Mike

[The_Wall]

Should the size of the goalie be brought into this (i.e. should a smaller goalie stand up more that a bigger one for the fear of exposing the upper corners of the net more when in a butterfly position?

[Twiv01]

Originally Posted by mikebu

My son is 10 years old and just completed his first year of being a goalie full time, last year he played goalie half time. He is a very strong skater, has good command of his butterfly and slides, and is developing a good glove hand. His one weak area is his stick. At times sliding trapper side his stick will open up, and sometimes in the butterfly his heel will be on the ice but the toe will be off the ice. He is using a Jr size stick with a 21" paddle. While he doesn't give up alot of bad goals when he does the majority of the time it is because of his stick.

Any tips on how to improve this?

Is this a common problem and does it tend go go away on it's own?

Thanks,
Mike

Hi Mike, thanks for you question. What you should do is have him go right back to the basics of using his stick. Very simple, have him stand at the top of the crease and shoot pucks ALONG THE ICE! DO NOT allow him to go down on these shoots. Make him use his stick to make the save and move the rebounds off to the corners.

He should not be using a b-fly on every low shot. If the puck is shot between his skate blades then b-fly is the correct save selection. However, once the puck reaches the outsides of his feet then he should be looking more at executing a half split keeping in mind that with both a b-fly and half split THE STICK is what you ideally want to make the save with being that you have more rebound control.

So again, GET BACK TO BASICS!! Make him use his stick in the simple drill that I mentioned above. This should help the problem over time but don't expect an overnight change, this is now a habit that he has built so it WILL take time for him to change it.

Finally, be sure to tell him that on anything shot from above the top hash mark that he need to REACT to the shot and not just drop straight into a b-fly and sealing everything thing tight to his sides (this could be another reason why he isn’t getting his stick more involved). I hope this helps and if you have anymore questions please feel free to visit us anytime.

[Twiv01]

Originally Posted by The_Wall

Should the size of the goalie be brought into this (i.e. should a smaller goalie stand up more that a bigger one for the fear of exposing the upper corners of the net more when in a butterfly position?

Good question but again the answer is simply NO it shouldn't be brought into this.

What smaller goalies lack in size they make up for in speed therefore all he needs to do is hold his white ice and be patient out there, then REACT to the shot. Again, b-flies are a great save selection in the RIGHT situation BUT if your goalie is seeing the shot and going straight to a b-fly then you have a problem.

Goaltending is a reaction game 95% of the time so read the puck off the shooters stick. The second the puck leaves the stick goalies gauge three things speed, direction and height, gauge the situation and react accordingly.

If you have a younger goalie that is small, my thoughts are to teach him the proper way to make a save. Might he get beat high right now due to him using the "correct" save selection? YES.... But remember that he will grow and by teaching him the correct mechanics at a young age he'll be much further ahead when he does grow.

[CubanPuckstoppr]

How about a thread that discusses center of the ice breakaways, but under the following circumstances.

The shooter has a 1 ro 2 stride lead on the defender.

The shooter has a 3 to 5 stride lead on the defender.

The shooter has no defensive pressure (let's assume that there is enough time for the shooter to take a second, or layup shot).

Most of the breakaway articles I see describe this situation in a general manner.

I'd like to see some conversation that discusses how to take advantage of the pressure, tactics to use to as the defender closes the gap, how to not over rely on that defensive pressure, should I split my focus between my defender's position and the cues I get from reading the shooter's stick, position, stride, shooting stance.

It might be after we discuss this that we decide the general presentations of playing the breakaway were perfectly suitable for the circumstances described above.

[fiveholegoalie]

Originally Posted by CubanPuckstoppr

How about a thread that discusses center of the ice breakaways, but under the following circumstances.

The shooter has a 1 ro 2 stride lead on the defender.

The shooter has a 3 to 5 stride lead on the defender.

The shooter has no defensive pressure (let's assume that there is enough time for the shooter to take a second, or layup shot).

Most of the breakaway articles I see describe this situation in a general manner.

I'd like to see some conversation that discusses how to take advantage of the pressure, tactics to use to as the defender closes the gap, how to not over rely on that defensive pressure, should I split my focus between my defender's position and the cues I get from reading the shooter's stick, position, stride, shooting stance.

It might be after we discuss this that we decide the general presentations of playing the breakaway were perfectly suitable for the circumstances described above.

First and foremost, shooters are liars, they want you to think one thing so they can do another. The one thing that doesn't lie, is the PUCK, so keep your eyes on it at all times.

At our school, we teach our goalies two ways to play breakaways. We discuss with them both ways and allow the goaltender to choose which way they feel more comfortable with.

The first option, the goaltender changes nothing from the norm; still wanting to grab two feet of white ice and will not start to back up until the puck hits the hash marks (top for younger goalies and bottom hash marks for older goalies). This enables the goalie to close the gap between him and the shooter, which takes away one of the shooters options, which is to take a direct shot . At this point, the goaltender has forced the shooter into deking. Now he needs to beat the shooter back to one of the posts by keeping their feet moving all the way back and execute a sliding butterfly back to one of the posts.

The second option is for the goaltender to grab about 3 feet of white ice above the crease as soon as they recognize the breakaway situation. At this point the goaltender must gauge the shooters speed and take two hard pushes backwards, then glide back, again taking away one of the shooters options (the shot) and beat the shooter back to the post.

Always remember, the more the shooter has to do (skating, stick handling etc.) the greater the possibility of an error. A goalie must remember to be patient and stay under control and they will have greater success in this type of situation.

A trick to remember is when the shooter gets in close (hash mark area) to lower your head down on top of the puck. This will remove your peripheral vision from getting distracted and will keep your focus on the puck all the way into your body and increase your ability to read the play in tight.

Some errors goalies make on breakaways:

1. Sometimes goalies follow the shooter back way too far. This gives shooters much more net to shoot at. Try to time your retreat so that you are just outside the top of the crease with the shooter so he must make his final move.

2. Remember that that you have to react strongly to the shooter’s last move. At times, goalies tend to go for a move that the shooter makes two feet in front of them and then the shooter cuts back and has a wide open net. This basically means that the goalie is having trouble knowing which move is actually the final move for the shooter.

3. Some goalies don't come back to the post as a complete package and do not follow the order of three (Head, Hands, Feet). This will ultimately make the goalie come back to his post with holes and giving the shooter more options which is never a good situation.

Good Luck!

[Stryker908]

I am 30, I play in a senior mens league as well as pick up when ever I can.

At the risk of sounding conceded, I am failry good, I have my off games, but I've also stolen a few.

Recently I have taken to working out much more inorder to improve my life in general, but also to help with my hockey.

My work out usually consists of running a 5K followed by

Upper back

Chest

Shoulders

Uper arm

Lower Arm

Lower back

Stomach

Sides (obleek SP?)

As well as streaching.

I have seen a noticable improvement in my endurance... but thats about it

I talk to my friends/forwards and offer them tips on what they could be doing better, Look me off dont telagraph your shot that sort of thing.

Well last week it finally caught up with me, we were having a schrimage, and I decided to go play for the "weaker" team and got ABUSED for an entire hour I was beat up, after 30 min the fun was GONE ....

Their trick was two fold

A) they out lasted me .... When in a shotting they held the puck longer then they usualy would (between 3-5 seconds in a shooting lane with a clear line to the net)

The effect of this was taking my instinctual "reaction" out of my play... I had to sit there and wait on them .....usualy causing me to commit first.....


B) they worked me over up high.... My glove used to be a stregnth, but I think I have become too dependant on the B-Fly as my primary "reaction" and I think that they finaly have caught on to this...

So....Help me out .... As somebody who as limited ice time (pregame is usualy about it for practice)

How can I work on my

A) Timing
B) Gloves
C) Angles (I have been known to get beat just by being farther to the left or right then I thought I was)


Thanks much !