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Old 12-02-2005, 08:01 AM
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Butterfly Woes.

I've been trying to get good rotation on my pads but just can't seem to get the hang of it. Any advice out there? I've heard that it's all how tight or loose your straps are. Thnx!
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Old 12-02-2005, 08:15 AM
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It has to do with technique, style of pad, tightness of straps, tightness of knee/calf locks, and tightness of toe string/buckle.

What kind of pads do you have?
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Old 12-02-2005, 11:56 AM
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Use the search button on "rotation" "rotate" etc, you should gget good results and plenty of data.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:29 PM
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I'm using CCM Heaton 10K's.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:01 PM
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Much Thnx Frankydee. It seems that I have stumbled upon a large "dead horse"
This forum is great!!!!!

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:45 AM
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What/who is that copy of Time about?
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Old 12-03-2005, 10:42 AM
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It's the cover for the 24 February 1975 issue of TIME magazine. It was entitled "HOCKEY - War on Ice".

From the date and the team logo on the mask,you can probably guess who it is.

Hint; Only the Lord saves more than *****. ( a quote from that time ).
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Old 12-03-2005, 11:30 AM
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Hey Ick, Bernie! the jersey almost looks like a Blueshirt.
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Old 12-03-2005, 06:27 PM
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didn't notice the logos on his mask.
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Old 12-04-2005, 07:44 AM
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I think it's the same mask that is in the HHOF. Good guess!
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Old 12-04-2005, 09:48 AM
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Here some tips. I have observed this issue with goalies migrating to butterfly from standup or newbies.

So let's start with pads. Most pads can be configured to rotate.Box style ones will rotate better as the squared inner edge hits the ice first and pushes the pad to a vertical or wall position in the butterfly.

A Heaton 10 has rounded inside edges (i.e. more of a traditional inside gusset). As such you will have to rely on strapping your pads loosely. The top two straps should be very loose. Like near the last hole. The legs straps should be three fingers loose as a minimum. That is to say you can get 3 fingers in loosely when they are strapped to your leg.

The straps that go under your boot should have them strapped in such a way that they just reach taughtness when you are in a deep crouch. Standing up right, they would be loose.

Be sure to put a loop in the toe strings. Refer to the Vaughn Hockey web site under goaltending resources and the article "How to get the most out of your Vaughn Velocity pads".

This allows the foot to move in the boot area of the pad and relieves stress on the knee and ankle.

Next is the stance. Your feet need to be wider than you shoulders. Your knees should be a little apart as well (like 6 to 10 inches). If your knees are close together, you end up with a narrow butterfly or worse, the pads going face down. With the knees being apart, it allows you to drive the kness down properly, resulting in pad rotation. Too narrow and the pads go face down.

I noticed this in giving clinics locally here in Oakville. New butterfly goalies, even with straps done loosely, still had the pads going face down. They started with a narrower stance and kness together.

The minute you get their knees separated a little, their butterfly improves immensely

Look at Yann Danis' stance here.



Theodore



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Give it a try. Hope it helps.

Ken

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Old 12-04-2005, 02:45 PM
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Thnx Ken. I'll see how it works out tommorow. Probably won't be anyone else out on the ice but at least I can practice on my stance and form. Any suggestions for drills that I can do by myself ? So far I've been practicing stick handling and shooting the puck, playing "shadow" goalie, and trying to get a feel for where the net is from different angles out of the crease. It probably looks silly from any one watching but it has helped me out so far.


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Old 12-09-2005, 05:04 PM
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Amazing what a wider stance and looser straps will do. I now be learned. Thnx
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