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Old 11-04-1999, 07:29 PM
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I try to abide by a general policy not to enter any frays that denigrate any of our "competitors", be it other manufacturers or instructors. This decision was born from my original vision of what this board could be… propaganda free and a legitimate source for real peer-to-peer instruction and untainted "public" opinion. Our regular contributors would probably agree that this policy has probably exposed some criticism of The Goalie Store for mistakes that we have made, and maybe even cost us a customer or two.

On one subject, I am going to break my silence…

Well, kind of. You be the judge.

Elsewhere on this board there is a pet peeve thread running on. I have one to add. The goaltending instruction business seems to attract a high percentage of charlatans. I don't know why. Maybe it's because they can get away with it. Maybe goalie parents are so isolated and desperate to find someone to work with their youngster (or not-so-youngster) that they disregard the principles of developing a relationship that they require from others with influence over their children. Principles like trust.

Nothing burns my bottom more than listening to another 'instructor' rattle off his 'credentials' to impress a parent, "Jr. A, Semi-Pro, spent some time in the IHL", when I know for a fact that they didn't make it out of Bantam 'B' (Not that Bantam 'B' is bad, but it sure isn't the IHLJ). Or worse, when I know that the offender didn't take up the game until they were 17, and have spent the better part of their 'career' playing beer league (ahem, Ron).

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE PLAYED COLLEGE OR PRO HOCKEY TO BE A QUALITY GOALIE INSTRUCTOR. Especially to teach younger goalies, probably up through the ages of 16-17. But you do have to have the self-esteem and confidence to be able to tell the truth. Because that's what students need when you are working with them. Our job is to tell them not what they want to hear. Not what their parents want to hear. But the truth. The bloody truth. "Sparky, you're small. If you want to outplay larger goalies you have to move faster, more balanced, and much more intelligently than the guy at the other end. You're not doing it right now. Do you understand me? Then let's begin…"

Want to impress a parent or win over a young goalie. Teach him/her something. Demonstrate your knowledge of the position. Demonstrate your ability to communicate that knowledge. Can't do it? THEN DON'T TEACH!

Paul laughs when we discuss this. I definitely admit that I get much more infuriated about it than he does. We both think that in every industry the same kind of characters must also exist. Paul thinks that the students that stick with these kinds of instructors deserve them. That the majority of goalies (and their parents) don't want to hear the truth, and are content just to hear that Junior is working hard and lookin' great. I'm not so sure.

Which brings me to my point. (Yes, there is one). Came across an interesting site a week ago. www.hockeydb.com . This site claims to have the stats for every professional hockey player ever to play. Also has stats for Major Junior, College, and several European leagues. Now, he doesn't have all the gaa and save percentage stats for goalies (the site says he is currently working on it), especially when you get out of the big three (NHL, AHL, IHL), but he does have games played. For instance, want to know that Willie Popp(?) played 2 games for the Kamloops Blazers in the WHL in 1985-86?

Let's take a look at our old friend Stu Gould. www.goodasgould.com/goodasgouldschoolsstaff.htm claims that he is "Former goaltender with Ft. Wayne Comets of the IHL". Check out www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=9668 Now, Stu may have gone to training camp with the Comets, may have sat on the bench with the Comets all year, may even have been getting ready for his first start before slipping in the shower, but he did not play for the Ft. Wayne Comets. Stu can be reached at stu@goodasgould.com

My old home of Vancouver is home to a master of self-delusion. To quote from www.icezone.com/veit/instructors.html , "Ron Veit has seen all sides of the game. Ron has played at the top level of hockey all his life including Tier II Jr. A and professional hockey." For at least three years in the 90's, Mr. Veit was telling his students that he was third on the Canucks depth chart. Ummm, Ron… I have a question? Where have you played? Go look for yourselves… www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/findplayer.php3

Again, this is not meant to make fun of others because they haven't played at a certain level. I couldn't care less. If your ideas make sense and you can teach, by all means, help these goalies out. But misleading or outright lying to clients is plain immoral. In any industry.
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Old 11-04-1999, 10:29 PM
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Ha Ha! I just looked up the stats for a local goalie coach who owns his own training rink and advertises that he played for the NY Islanders. He didn't. Just a few games with Springfield in the AHL. Last time I spend $45/hr at his rink!!!
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Old 11-05-1999, 06:59 AM
 
Is there a list of goalie camps and/or instructors for North America? Any advise on picking a school or instructor? Are Canadien schools better than schools in the U.S.? (I've never heard of Canadien kids coming to the U.S. for hockey camp). Alright,here's the big question. What the hell is different between the way hockey is taught in Canada and the the way it's taught in the U.S.? I just want to get my kids some meaningful instruction...By the way, does anyone know how Alfie Michaud is doing with Vancouver? We spent alot of time watching him backstop UMaine last year.
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Old 11-05-1999, 08:26 AM
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Excellent, Excellent Brett!!!!!!! Kudos to you.

Reminds of a jerk at a local rink who runs player/defense roller hockey instruction clinics. I dispise this guy with a passion and ignore all his clinics but he recently advertised a goalie clinic featuring Matt Heinze as the instructor (Matt was a goalie for a Pro roller hockey team a few seasons back.) I know and admire Matt very much as do most goalies in our area and I figured this would be a great chance for me to learn from him. I paid my 100 bucks for the all-day clinic and when I got to the rink, I found out that the jerk who runs the clinics was teaching - NOT Matt Heinze!! The guy said Heinze had to play a tournament in Atlanta!
So I took my money back and left in disgust.

Well- here's the clincher! I talked to Heinze the next week and told him I aborted the clinic because he wasn't teaching it. He looked at me with frustration and explained to me that HE WAS NEVER TOLD ABOUT TEACHING ANY CLINIC- EVER!!!! When he saw the flyers with his name on it he couldn't believe it!

Not quite the same story as Brett tells, but I think it's right up there! Student Beware!

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Old 11-05-1999, 01:32 PM
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Thx Brett. I would have never have even thought about checking up on goalie instructors. I did cheak on one local guy and out of 4 of the leages he clamed to have played in it came up with 2 both with fat zero's following.
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Old 11-05-1999, 08:23 PM
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Hmmm...I'll host a camp this winter featuring "Koho Cup Top Goalie Matt Bernstien" Only $150! I'll call ya about an hour before it starts Bernie and let ya know
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Old 11-06-1999, 06:57 AM
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The story Bernie tells has happened to me. I actually picked up a three fold color brochure in a rink a couple years ago and saw that I was the "Head Instructor" for three weeks of a Goalie Camp. They had a bio and everything.

The kicker was I was getting married and moving to Chicago. Umm, not going to be there...
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Old 11-06-1999, 02:38 PM
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"What the hell is different between the way hockey is taught in Canada and the the way it's taught in the U.S.?"

Well, that depends on whether you're talking about certified coaches, or just some guy who used to be a good player. The US and Canadian Hockey associations' certification courses are identical. The US bought the training program from Canada a few years back, and it is taught verbatim. They are the same manuals and videos with "USA" logos anywhere "Canada" ones used to be.

The real difference is, in Canada the courses are mandatory. As of Feb/99, only certified coaches are allowed to instruct in Canada. You can't even help pick up the pucks after practice unless you've taken at least the initiation level coaching certification course. I don't know if the U.S is this picky.
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Old 11-06-1999, 03:11 PM
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Brett that is so sad that someone would do that to you, but funny. Which leads me to my next question. Did you play in a semi pro or pro league for that matter have any of you. I am curious to know this.
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Old 11-07-1999, 05:13 PM
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I have never played a game of Pro Hockey. I played my Junior Tier II in Powell River of the BCJHL, then went on to play at Brown University in the ECAC.
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Old 11-08-1999, 03:34 AM
 
Thanks for the info Bryon, I think I am going to need to get certified (in hockey)just to establish a baseline of knowledge.The local hockey association here MA (U.S.)will let anyone on the ice to help the certified coach. Which means I get to watch a bunch of 35 year olds relive their youth by taking slapshots at my 8 year old kid during practice. I do charge them everytime they break one of his goalie sticks. I am currently trying to line up a goalie instructor. This includes seeing through the self promotional hype while picking an instructor who is not a political enemy of the hockey association. My kids have been to a couple of good hockey schools but what happens is their coach's tell them not to do what the schools teach (they say it's too advanced). I am frustrated, why couldn't my kids have developed a passion for chess?
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Old 11-09-1999, 11:43 AM
 
I take goalie clinics and practice at the same rink. After going to clinic, I go straight to practice to use my practice my new skills. It is unbeliveable to me how much my coach contradicts what the goalie coaches have just taught me. What should I do?

|Sachin|
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Old 11-09-1999, 01:14 PM
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Listen to your goalie coach. Regular coaches, in my experience, know jack(poop) about playing goalie. They'll stand there and yell some crap about "stand up!" or "BUTTERFLY, BUTTERFLY!" and expect the goalie to be Patrick Roy from their guidance.
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