butterfly?

[scottyboy39]

wow.way to go sloth thanks for making my point.also noticed with the glove that high these kids arent catching pucks when shot but the pucks are bouncing off the cuffs or poppin out and leaving juicey rebounds.hey sloth us goalies out here on long island should open a goaltending school out here seeing there are none.for real we should.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by scottyboy39

wow.way to go sloth thanks for making my point.also noticed with the glove that high these kids arent catching pucks when shot but the pucks are bouncing off the cuffs or poppin out and leaving juicey rebounds.hey sloth us goalies out here on long island should open a goaltending school out here seeing there are none.for real we should.

That's a big time generalization. I have changed my glove hand to upright and I found it improved my game. I catch a lot more pucks than before and get beat less on the glove side. The main point is do what works for you.

[Steven]

Some random thoughts.

1) Your glove position will vary as you develop and even during a season as you respond to success or failures. It is the same as a golfer adjusting their swing or their putting technique because what they were doing wasn't working.

2) If it is working for you at the level of play you are currently in stay with it.
Keep in mind that as players improve your approach may have to change with your glove position.

3) Your glove position will (should) change in your stance depending on the depth of the puck.

4) The glove's position serves a dual purpose. a) effectiveness as it relates to biomechanical response, b) visual discouragement to the shooter.
This visual discouragement occurs within the shooters visual triangle as opposed to the shooters actual shooting triangle.

5) Good shooters study your glove position and will modify their attempts based on perception.

6) Side body glove position ( on a plane with the body) makes it very tough to pull pucks off your pads and catch pucks before they hit your pads.

7) Both pictures at the start of the thread display acceptable glove positions.

8) I trust we aren't advocating the palm facing the ceiling approach! If so please show me a picture of an NHL goalie with this approach.

Keeks

One of more important quotes in one of the threads I listed that I doubt most of you have read.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by scottyboy39

wow.way to go sloth thanks for making my point.also noticed with the glove that high these kids arent catching pucks when shot but the pucks are bouncing off the cuffs or poppin out and leaving juicey rebounds.hey sloth us goalies out here on long island should open a goaltending school out here seeing there are none.for real we should.

Tried it. Doesn't work.

Simply put...ice time is too sparce and expensive. Parents aren't always willing to pony up the $ for it. Finally, if you want to come on the ice with teams on the Island, no one wants you there because the coaches, 99% of whom suck big time, are afraid of someone who might be more qualified than them and expose them for the hacks they are.

[Butsy35]

Id rather have your glove to high then too low because its easier to go with gravity then to fight gravity. and i am aware and acknowledge that most goals are scored in the bottom half of the net.

[Sprawl]

Originally Posted by Butsy35

Id rather have your glove to high then too low because its easier to go with gravity then to fight gravity. and i am aware and acknowledge that most goals are scored in the bottom half of the net.

Actually thats incorrect assumption

While yes Gravity helps. Moving your glove should never rely on "falling" from gravity. But all your movements should be controlled by your muscles. Thats down, Up and lateral movement

Thus being said, muscularly your biceps are bigger, stronger and faster acting than your triceps. Lifting your glove should be faster than dropping your glove because it uses your your biceps to move

[scottyboy39]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

Tried it. Doesn't work.

Simply put...ice time is too sparce and expensive. Parents aren't always willing to pony up the $ for it. Finally, if you want to come on the ice with teams on the Island, no one wants you there because the coaches, 99% of whom suck big time, are afraid of someone who might be more qualified than them and expose them for the hacks they are.

so we just do what we used to do in brooklyn.take a bat to their knees lolol yea been then done that.tried it years back and the coachs that were there didnt like that I was teaching the kids to stay up as long so they could to play the shot and not let the shot play them

[bellness]

Originally Posted by Steven

Is this what you are talking about? (Picture is from another thread/GSBB member)

That 2 inch black pad at the top of the pad . what is it exactly ???
Can you get them and just attatch it to any pad ?

[Kahnighit]

Originally Posted by bellness

That 2 inch black pad at the top of the pad . what is it exactly ???
Can you get them and just attatch it to any pad ?

It's the Smith adjustable thigh rise which I've not seen on any other brand. Lets you add, i believe, up to 3 inches to your rise.

[habs-fan]

Originally Posted by marty'sgirl74

I had noticed this awhile ago and couldn't understand why I was seeing so many young or new tenders adopting this stance. After asking around, this is reason that I was given. On a hard shot, with your elbow bent the glove can not snap back as far in reaction to the pucks momentum. Your arm just won't move that way. Less chance of the pucks momentum carrying over the goal line.

If that's the only way yo keep your glove from snapping back over the goal line, a) work out a bit more. and b) you're way too deep in the crease.

[goaleroffortune]

I think it depends on your style of play, with the general idea being to have your glove and body moving in the same direction.

If you're a pure butterfly goalie, so that you are going down on virtually every shot, holding the glove up makes sense to me because it means you will not have to move your glove up while your body is going down. At most, your glove can be kept in the same position relative to your body, and as your body goes down the glove winds up in a good position to cover the top corner (as illustrated in Sprawl's comparison photos); or, you may have to move the glove down some, but moving the glove in the same direction as the body is much easier.

On the other hand, if you have a serious stand-up component to your game, you will often be moving your center of gravity up or sideways to play high shots. Given this, it makes sense to start the glove lower because if your body is moving up, it is easier to move your glove up along with it than to move your glove down in opposition to the body.

[Goalieworld20]

Originally Posted by Brodeur30

Hey guys,

First post here at GSBB. But I have to agree with the post maker. Such a high glove position is redundant almost. It would be much easier to use your shoulders to block that high shot rather than use your glove. As stated in an earlier post too, most shots were low, so a lower glove would make much more sense.

yep. for a longer shot (longer meaning takes more time to get to u givin more reaction ime) the glove should be used to snatch the puck. but in a situation with little or no reaction time, a elbow extension raise should be used along with your shoulder. (now assume we are in the butterfly) this means instead of bringing ur glove up from on top of ur pad, u just raise your elbow up and out some, keeping ur glove in and close. this takes less time and will deflect the puck up and over the net.

all that really means is that making the save has nothing to do with glove positioning. hold the glove where u feel most comfortable and where it can be easy used. other than that, the gl;ove is goin to move around so the initial position doesnt mean much

[bellness]

Originally Posted by Kahnighit

It's the Smith adjustable thigh rise which I've not seen on any other brand. Lets you add, i believe, up to 3 inches to your rise.

Damn, they should make something like that for any pad, i wanna add to my 8k 35 sometime, but im not feeling 100% about sending them to THR or PAW , and im gonna have to send my chest pad away , to get my shoulder wings re-attatched on my 6k. the right wing was stitched weird. and the band is really ****ty

[croy33]

Originally Posted by Sprawl

That is a bad picture though for judging angles as the goalie is well outside any net. and doesnt really show angles or positioning.



not the best stance, but shows the glove being held up and forward of the body. This has the benefit of keeping it in view which aids in watching the puck into it. Also keeping it up and forward like this allows for the glove to be open, facin the puck and take angles down. Your glove is meant to snare and catch high shot pucks. There's no point holding it lower. with modern butterfly goalies, anything low should be safely dealt with by your pads. anything 11" or lower with a proper butterfly save. Anything higher with half butterflys.

What the high forward glove position allows you to then do is ensure the glove is in proper position when down in the butterfly. Follow up picture to the one above.


Goalie goes down but glove remains higher. Of course the glove generally would start to sink to close up the 6 and 7 holes by the arms, but this allows for the glove to stay up and ready to catch those pucks going towards the corners.

Thanks Performancegoaltending for the pictures (where are the advanced skaters pics dave@!!! if these were my photo's.. they'd be perfect )

when the shooter
is thst close, when you drop in butterfly, A: close your legs. B: your should be in blocking with your hands in tight on your body and your stick should be firmly held but with a really big angle on the stick not staight, i cant tell id in that pic you have ur stick angled or flat but those are just some tips

[Kahnighit]

Originally Posted by croy33

your stick should be firmly held but with a really big angle on the stick not staight

I respectfully disagree with only this point. This has been a topic of much debate here. The consensus seems to be to keep the stick mostly straight as it allows for better rebound control. One only puts an angle the stick depending on the situation/shot.