Between the pipes?

[dread]

Let's see. NHL goalie coach who spends his time working with and observing the best goalies in the world vs. high school goalie coach. Yea I'd go with the high school guy.

[TIMMAAYY]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

I just watched every HS state tournament game in my state. Not one of those goalies did those moves. I dont know if you know were Shattuck Saint Marys is or not, but i attend some weekly sessions with their goal coach. He has never even hinted at these save selections.


Pad stack is to me a VERY DESPERATE move ossoicated with over commiting to one side and then sprawling to get back to stop. I dont get out of position very often, and when i do i can butterfly slide over.

But hey im just a kid, a kid none of you have seen before, what could i POSSIBLY know. Youd be surprised.......

Oh noes, Keeks! You've been pwned by a HS goaltenderererererererer.

Post of the year.

FWIW, there is a time and place for ANY type of save.... even the much discussed paddle down ( Yes, Az, I know... I know... take a pill and lie down! ). A two pad stack has a time and place.... as does a diving poke check.

Here's an interesting question.... how many of your HS goalies are currently drafted? Oh yeah... that's right. They aren't.

[so.mingoaldude]

I guess you old farts can do those saves when your flopping around like a carp. But im sticking to my foundamently sound style.

Im sure Keeks is a great teacher. O the goalie caoch before, he is the coach for the D1 hockey school MSU. He watches the best goalies in the world too, its called the internet, and in real life too. wow

[kohomcm]

wgeary (bigbadcapitalist) and so.mingoaldude should hang out together!


I love it when the young ones spout out everything in absolutes with no margin for new ideas.

Dont worry you will change your mind in time. You might not belive me, but you will hehe


And I guess to you I would be an old fart lol

[habs-fan]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Pad stack is to me a VERY DESPERATE move ossoicated with over commiting to one side and then sprawling to get back to stop. I dont get out of position very often, and when i do i can butterfly slide over.

But hey im just a kid, a kid none of you have seen before, what could i POSSIBLY know. Youd be surprised.......

I guess they don't teach percentages in HS.

Picture this. You're standing up hugging the post, guy on the short side with the puck. 2nd forward on the other side 2-3 feet from the net. Cross ice pass.

You can butterfly across, cover 25% of the height of the net, and hope your hand is fast enough to react to a highr shot. Or you can pad stack, take out 50% of the height of the net, and play the odds that the shooter can't raise the puck that high from that short a distance.

I like the odds on the pad stack much better.

But listen to the HS coach over keeks. After all, it's not like keeks has a proven record or anything...

[TIMMAAYY]

This is just too teh funnay.

[dread]

Nah, just mildly amusing.

[heja1234]

You would have to be an idiot to say that goalie will never want to make a diving poe check or two pad stack

think about it, if you can get to the puck before a forward and he does not get a scoring chance why would you want to let him shoot on you?

and i bet on that two pad stack he is covering more area that you could if you were stretching with one leg and blocker and also haven't opened up the five hole

[so.mingoaldude]

Like i said yuo guys do what you want.




I havent used that in 8 years of net minding

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Like i said yuo guys do what you want.




I havent used that in 8 years of net minding

In those 8 years you have learned more than any other goalie on the planet.
WOW

[habs-fan]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Like i said yuo guys do what you want.




I havent used that in 8 years of net minding

And I've used pretty much every technoque that works in 40 years of goaltending.

[diesel]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Thats great but if i went to a goalie camp and they incorporated the diving poke check and pad stack i would pretty much not do it lol.

i mean i havent used a pad stack or dive poke check, lets see, actualy ever. So i guess its really what ever works for you but, it will die.

I just can't agree with you on this.

Keeks said "Marty Brodeur, Vesa Toskala, Nabokov, Hasek, Osgood, Ed Belfour, Fleury etc all have the ability to use a diving poke check and a two pad slide selectively and appropriately."

Believe me, most people (maybe not you I guess, but most people) will be a much better goaltender, be able to surprise more shooters and make it to a much higher level of hockey with more skills and capabilities.

A diving poke check is a great way to catch a shooter off guard, beat a guy you are racing to the puck, clear a rebound, etc., when used "selectively and appropriately".

I don't stack the pads much any more, but it is a great desperation move and two pads stacked offers twice the coverage than stretching out one leg to make a desparation save.

[TIMMAAYY]

Well it certainly never worked for any of these guys...












There's a time and place for it.... it can and should be used in certain situations, IF you know how to do it and how to recover from it.

Saying that it doesn't work and is outdated is akin to saying "butterfly saves" don't work so you don't do them. You don't do THAT on every save either.
Same applies for a diving poke check. Remember the video recently of the European goalie that dove out on the guy in a shootout who had his head down? Perfect example... can't shoot when you don't have the puck.

[dread]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Like i said yuo guys do what you want.




I havent used that in 8 years of net minding

Like talking to a rock. Only not as interesting.

[LimpBagel]

If you've never stacked the pads then there are goals that you have given up on.