Between the pipes?

[TIMMAAYY]

No one's saying you're a bad goalie. Maybe you are, maybe you aren't... that's not the issue. The issue is that you think a particular save selection is going the way of the dinosaur, and you flat out refuse to even attempt it, even though a well known goalie coach and a current NHL goalie coach are telling you that it can be used effectively, and should be, in a given situation.

I'll let you figure out who's who in regards to those two individuals.

[so.mingoaldude]

*sigh*

Does that keeks guy w.e have a goalie camp, if he did, id love to go to it, so he could teach me. My dad and i have talked about going to a camp in canada.

anyone tell me a good situation where it could be used, going into explicit detail as well. anyone ill be waiting

[so.mingoaldude]

Thats not the greatest situation.
what if he doesnt shoot, then your laying down and they could pass it around you.

[habs-fan]

Plays at that range are mostly playing the odds. If you're hugging the post on one side and there's a cross crease pass, what are the odds the guy getting the pass is NOT going to go for the open net? If he's been playing against bfly goalies, he'll try to lift it about 18" to clear the pad.

Don't knock it kid. You have a boatload of experienced goalies, as well as professional goalie coaches telling you it's a move you should have in your arsenal. Same as the diving poke check and the semi bfly. The more techniques you have, and are known to have, the more you keep the shooter guessing, and hesitating, and missing the shot. Remember, the best save is the one you don't have to make.

[so.mingoaldude]

If a pass is any where near me, ill knock it away... The poke check is fine (idk why i said that it wasnt sorry if i confused anyone)

[The Wall33]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

You dont think i analyze my abilties. i watch every game that is filmed of me and see what i couldve done better or what i did well then continue to do that. Then my dad and i go over it again and analyze it together, next i keep watching it were ever there is a computer (school library friends house etc.)Psh mediocre, because i dont use a pad stack, wow. I could say somthing very ****y but am mature enough to hold back.

To pursue this further, what do you and your dad arrive at as a conclusion as to why you allowed the goal? Has there ever been a situation when your cookie cutter routine fell short?

Perhaps the conversation went something to the effect that "that was an impossible play? or save?" Were you capable of dissecting the play while recognizing that if YOU put the pressure on the shooter, perhaps the shooter would have choked? Or were you satisfied enough to just play passively and get scored on because you did not attack the situation?

Again, I do not expect (based solely on what I have read in your posts) that you are fully capable (with your relative inexperience) of doing this. There's no shame in that - it will come with time.

What you need to recognize is simple: sometimes we, as goalies, need to turn up the heat on the shooter and force the situation so it turns in our favour. Passive slides and 'textbook' plays will work much of the time: however, there are clearly times that we must help stack the outcome in our favour.

Tell you what, since you seem to have a lot of video on file, please post some goals scored against you and let us evaluate what you could have done differently. That would be a test of your convictions, a way to back your bravado with physical evidence.

[The Wall33]

Originally Posted by habs-fan

Plays at that range are mostly playing the odds. If you're hugging the post on one side and there's a cross crease pass, what are the odds the guy getting the pass is NOT going to go for the open net? If he's been playing against bfly goalies, he'll try to lift it about 18" to clear the pad.

Don't knock it kid. You have a boatload of experienced goalies, as well as professional goalie coaches telling you it's a move you should have in your arsenal. Same as the diving poke check and the semi bfly. The more techniques you have, and are known to have, the more you keep the shooter guessing, and hesitating, and missing the shot. Remember, the best save is the one you don't have to make.

This is the best advice given in this thread. Period.

[shutout35]

Completely agree with having the tools in the toolbox. It's important to not be too predictable. I too am a predominately butterfly goaltender, but I like to be able to mix it up with a pad stack or an aggressive slide out towards a cutting shooter coming at a bad angle. It's easy to sit back on a play and let it come to you (which a lot of the time is the best play), but that is not always the right play either. Nothing is 100% effective 100% of the time (which, in the end, is why goals are scored).

Either way, listen to what people are saying so.mingoaldude. Keeks, Wellsie, and most of the other posters in this thread know what they are talking about.

BTW, Wellsie, you have a PM or 2 from me.

[The Wall33]

Originally Posted by shutout35

BTW, Wellsie, you have a PM or 2 from me.

Replied yesterday - DVD not yet received... will confirm arrival. Thx. DW

[friglesnart]

I'm suprised no one has said this, but in the end it matters about making the save. isn't that what us goalies are suposed to do?

[NedofRock]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Youve Never Seen Me Play You ****ing *******s.

So post some of these videos you and your dad enjoy watching so much

I know you wont be sold on this but its far better to have the ability to perform the save if you ever get in the situation where its needed, than not.

[tiredoffl]

For those individuals outside of North America, who might not be familiar with the size of the State of Michigan's youth and high school hockey programs... I will make this observation.

Last week (3/7-8th) the Michigan high school hockey State Finals were played. Eight games of which more than half were goaltending duels and two of which ended up as Michigan high school hockey records! During the course of these games these young men between the pipes executed dbl pad slides, diving poke checks, hook checks, head saves...etc.

Regardless of the timeline in the advancement of the game of hockey, one thing will remain the same. Already spoken, but re-enforced once again... the tools in the tool kit, the better selection that is available to meet the demand will result in a better mix of saves. Redundant save selection results in predictability, when the shooter knows what to expect, the odds tilt in their favor! Also said already, a true competitor will do what it takes to keep the puck out of the twine.

We present what many of you call old school and outdated along with current. Those who play the game and also consider themselves strudents of the game, take everything they can get... and ask for more because the difference of having that one additional tool in the tool kit is often what makes the difference in getting the call back for the next tryout or getting the jersey after the tryout!

Goaltenders who have heart and passion for what they do, respect for the game and for those who play it, will not dismiss any technique that may improve their game.

As for the DVD promo, it represents inclusion, it shows correct execution and poor execution, as does the rest of the 4 vol. set.

Play Hard! Practice Harder!
Todd Lightfoot
BTP

[goalies-r-us]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

You dont think i analyze my abilties. i watch every game that is filmed of me and see what i couldve done better or what i did well then continue to do that. Then my dad and i go over it again and analyze it together, next i keep watching it were ever there is a computer (school library friends house etc.)Psh mediocre, because i dont use a pad stack, wow. I could say somthing very ****y but am mature enough to hold back.

Given your atrociously evident inability to spell, capitalize, punctuate, or conjugate properly, I find it very hard to believe that you spend much time -- if any at all -- inside a school or a library.



By the way, it's very immature to claim to be "mature enough" in the same sentence where you are using a profanity that gets bleeped out by the obscenity filters. You think you're in the right. We disagree. Nothing you can attempt to say here will change that, and the longer that you attempt it, the more evident it is to the rest of us that we are correct in our perception of you.

Sorry if I used too many big words in this post -- maybe you will find this link to be of some assistance: Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online

[so.mingoaldude]

Im not getting graded on these so why spell correctly? And the profanity was the word c**ky, personaly i dont find that offensive or "bad".


The only "big" word in your post atrocious which i knew the meaning of in like 1st grade. If you consider the words in your sentence hard or what ever, maybe you should use some better synonyms so that someone with a college graduate reading and vocabulary level would have to maybe look the words up in your post.

Your a smart lady* and I bet you could do that quite easily, if I do say so myself. i dont look at peoples profiles very often

[TIMMAAYY]

Originally Posted by so.mingoaldude

Im not getting graded on these so why spell correctly? And the profanity was the word c**ky, personaly i dont find that offensive or "bad".


The only "big" word in your post atrocious which i knew the meaning of in like 1st grade. If you consider the words in your sentence hard or what ever, maybe you should use some better synonyms so that someone with a college graduate reading and vocabulary level would have to maybe look the words up in your post.

Your a smart guy and I bet you could do that quite easily, if I do say so myself.

She's a smart gal.