Between the pipes?

[TIMMAAYY]

You shouldn't have to drop to save that... you cover all of the net if you just come out a little bit. I know it's a bad habit because I do the same thing.

[TheCoach]

Hey Everyone

I Have BTP DVD set and I have been coaching goalies since 1985. This program is a great addition to any goalie coach. This is a tool, and what they teach are tools. If you teach any goalie one new move and he/she stops the puck once with that move you have done your job! Some of the moves in the dvd I do not like but, the skating and movment drills make a great program.

The 2 leg pad stack and the poke chech are a little out dated but in this program they show you how to do these move from the butterfly.

All in all BTP this is a must for any goalie coach.

PS by the way BTP did not pay me anything for this thread this is my real opinion.
Thanks

[habs-fan]

Originally Posted by TheCoach

The 2 leg pad stack and the poke chech are a little out dated but in this program they show you how to do these move from the butterfly.

Nobody has yet properly explained how any move that allows you to stop the puck can possibly be outdated.

[jambon20]

An example of when a poke check may have worked is at 24 secs on that clip. (side of the net, attacker coming in close with his head down)

Not being a critic.... just stating an example.

[TIMMAAYY]

I think we are talking about the diving poke check, not just a poke check. Like that video going around of the European goalie celebrating with the "blind man" routine... now THAT was a diving poke check.

[TheCoach]

I stated that some of these move were a "Little" out dated but no move can ever be put on the side lines even some of the old skate save moves can still be used.

As a coach desperation means out of position, but if you are cought out of position alot and have the ability to use some of the old moves this could through some shooters off.

The more tools you have in your shed the more creative you become and success will follow.

[TIMMAAYY]

If you are NEVER out of position, Gary Bettman would like a word with you.

[That1Goalie13]

mingoaldude is such a hypocrite. he talking about how stacking the pads works for some NHL goalies but not him and he goes and watches COLLEGE goaltenders and use them as examples...im not saying college goalies are bad, what im saying is that you cant deny that NHL goaltenders don't play right and then follow college goaltenders. i'm also not saying its bad that you study them, i'm saying that it's bad that your trying to mirror them and do everything they do. you should study a MUCH wider range of goalies from many levels. you can learn a lot from a stand-up goalie even if you do play B-fly style. stand ups avoid many shots by developing their puck handling skills and by challenging out of the net more, force shooters to miss or make shots easier to control. IF you used this+B-fly style, it can have many advantages.

[TIMMAAYY]

Here's a couple of examples ( using the same image ) of why I think dropping for a shot below the angle of the faceoff dots is generally not a good idea.

Here is the original pic, unedited. Lots of targets to pick from, goalie is not squared up and is off angle to his right... leaving lots of open net to his left.... AND the entire top of the net as he is way too deep.




So, let's square him up a bit, bring him out to take away more angle, and center him on the shot.... and he's STILL leaving too much up top. If he were standing up there would be virtually NO net to aim for, he'd be blocking all of it AND would be able to move laterally faster had there been another pass across the slot.

[hroark2112]

Anyone who thinks the 2 pad stack is not a good play in today's NHL should check out the save by Cam Ward on Jokinen...about 5 minutes left in the 2nd period.

Totally robbed him.

[shutout_9999]

Originally Posted by TIMMAAYY

Here's a couple of examples ( using the same image ) of why I think dropping for a shot below the angle of the faceoff dots is generally not a good idea.

Here is the original pic, unedited. Lots of targets to pick from, goalie is not squared up and is off angle to his right... leaving lots of open net to his left.... AND the entire top of the net as he is way too deep.


So, let's square him up a bit, bring him out to take away more angle, and center him on the shot.... and he's STILL leaving too much up top. If he were standing up there would be virtually NO net to aim for, he'd be blocking all of it AND would be able to move laterally faster had there been another pass across the slot.

I agree with you but this is a bad picture for demonstarting. Although it proves your point and makes it clear that dropping when the shot is underneath the faceoff dot leaves to much room upstairs, the goalie seems to be butterfly sliding across. Whether the goalie thought it was quicker to b-fly slide then t-push across, it was a good one-timer shot.

[TIMMAAYY]

Right.... I just grabbed a quick image from google.



I still think it's a valid point though. I have this habit still.... trying to break it. Sometimes I get stuck between doing what I should do and doing what I have developed as habit... and get burned. Ugh.

[5hahv1r1]

Wow, a kid afraid to try something new.

YouTube - Toskala highlight reel

Look at the pokechecks and pad stacks made. And look at that! There's fundamentally sound butterfly saves as well. IN MODERATION. Holy crap, as others have said, don't be so stubborn give it a shot in practice, and play around with it. The more options you have when stopping the puck the better. Don't throw bullcrap at me about being able to pull off a backside recovery on a backdoor pass being faster than a pad stack.

If you are, you're in denial.

[S2daj]

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[foodsample]

Originally Posted by TIMMAAYY

That's what I thought... looked like mostly stuff I've already seen on the No Rebounds DVD's, except for the one butterfly drill where the goalie was "walking" forward up the ice doing the butterfly movement. Odd.

Thats an incredibly important tool along with being able to move backward in quickly ... in a tight situation such as a bad rebound into the slot where your caught deep in the net you need to be able to move out to take of more net.