Goalie Footage To Analyze

[Combs28]

Well I know as goalie coach's we all love going over game tape and picking out small parts of eachothers games. Heres some footage for anyone who wants to get the feet wet.

Let me Know if these links work its my first time uploading to youtube instead of sending through msn to close friends who coach.

CLIP#!

Goalie Basic stance behind net, and communication used by glove and vocals, late reaction to pass from behind the net but goalie shows his butterfly stance. Then shot from point gets him down and take a look at the recovery...All comments needed and wanted

YouTube - Goalie's Analyzation #1

CLIP #2

2-0, butterfly slide, attempt to cover, hilarious blown breakaway by his team at the end.

YouTube - Goalie Analyzation #2

CLIP #3

Breakaway: attempts Y-Breakway style

YouTube - Goalie Analyzation #3

CLIP #4

I want people to comment on his choice of dropping to dead angle here, its been a constant debate all year, its way to early and wrong time in my opinion

YouTube - Goalie Analyzation #4

CLIP #5

Playing the Puck, and his recovery to mishap

YouTube - Goalie Analyzation #5


ALRIGHT crew theres some fresh new footage for all of you...ENJOY!!!

[Combs28]

112 views no comments??? Common people where are the film junkies at.

[vinny]

You move smoothly, efficeintly and calmly into each position which allows you in the course of the movement adjust to the shot.
Looks good. All of it.
One thing I noticed when you move from side to side is... it seems effortless or requires no exaggerated motions.
Also appears that your stick glove and blockers are always in the right position in the process of all movements.

But what do I know...

[Moore00]

Originally Posted by vinny

You move smoothly, efficeintly and calmly into each position which allows you in the course of the movement adjust to the shot.
Looks good. All of it.
One thing I noticed when you move from side to side is... it seems effortless or requires no exaggerated motions.
Also appears that your stick glove and blockers are always in the right position in the process of all movements.

But what do I know...

I disagree.

Your movement, quickness and positioning all seem average to me.

First off, your overall movement is solid, but not hard and crisp. Going from your right to left is much slower than vis-vi-versa. Recoveries need to be crisper as well. You recover with the correct leg, but it is slow and sloppy.

Your glove positioning is very low and lazy looking. With your current level of play, you can probably get away with it, but anything higher, you'll have trouble.

JMO.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by Moore00

I disagree.

Your movement, quickness and positioning all seem average to me.

First off, your overall movement is solid, but not hard and crisp. Going from your right to left is much slower than vis-vi-versa. Recoveries need to be crisper as well. You recover with the correct leg, but it is slow and sloppy.

Your glove positioning is very low and lazy looking. With your current level of play, you can probably get away with it, but anything higher, you'll have trouble.

JMO.

FYI guys, this is the goalie coach posting not the goalie in question.

I also think this is a middle schooler or a kid around the age of 14 or so judging by the pace of the game so there is room for improvement in his movement and recoveries and he has time to be more refined.

I like the height of the glove positioning, I don't like how lateral it is to his body. Needs to be in front. The weight is also shifted back. Does this goalie end up on his butt or face a lot?

Finally...it is nice that you posted the highlights, but we learn little from our successes, rather more from our failures. At one point the scoreboard read 3-2. That means he let in a few goals. Where is that video? That would be worth analyzing.

It is hard to give any relevant feedback from cherry picked clips. I know you can't upload the entire game to the web and it would be a bitch to download and view. But it would be more helpful to see the successes and failures so that those of us who coach and don't see this kid normally can actually add some relevant feedback.

[Moore00]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

FYI guys, this is the goalie coach posting not the goalie in question.

I also think this is a middle schooler or a kid around the age of 14 or so judging by the pace of the game so there is room for improvement in his movement and recoveries and he has time to be more refined.

I like the height of the glove positioning, I don't like how lateral it is to his body. Needs to be in front. The weight is also shifted back. Does this goalie end up on his butt or face a lot?

Finally...it is nice that you posted the highlights, but we learn little from our successes, rather more from our failures. At one point the scoreboard read 3-2. That means he let in a few goals. Where is that video? That would be worth analyzing.

It is hard to give any relevant feedback from cherry picked clips. I know you can't upload the entire game to the web and it would be a bitch to download and view. But it would be more helpful to see the successes and failures so that those of us who coach and don't see this kid normally can actually add some relevant feedback.

If he's really 14, I take back some of the movement points I said. I was thinking 16-17ish.

I still don't like his glove positioning. But of course, that's all personal preference.

[Combs28]

Here are some facts to clear up comments and questions

This is a high school hockey league

Goalie is 16 going on 17 so your criticism is definetely warranted about intensity of speed

This was an exhibition game so pace and overall speed was relugated alot.

Now i here the cherry picked comment but i found the only positive clip i posted was the Two-on zero save, the rest were small things that need to be adjusted. What other clips would you like to see. I will bring the camera to practice today and get some solid skating drills on film. The lateral comment from left to right is an awesome point and one thing ive been noticing but not focusing on in practice. I always do all my drills both ways but I think with playooffs coming I have to do 2 thirds of the work on that side of the crease.

The glove is a debate! Alot of times in those clips he had it that low to intercep passes behind the net, do you guys think this tactic is wrong...Other than that i completely see what you mean about the lateral positioning to his body. That thing will be out by the end of practice today.

With the question about landing on his face or ass I have to say no. Hes very solid in the hips and he keeps a very big open chest for alot of easy chest saves. Hes quite good at keeping anything in that hits the body, but his limited wingsapan in butterfly creates some bad inclose rebounds. Weve been working on getting the stick to puck like crazy and I keep drilling in the importance of puck placement. To many goalies have gone to pure blocking and its a big scare to me.

Another point on the low glove he was taking that fromn Goalie World The Athletic Style of Lehtonen Issue. He was watching the half down butterfly section and saw how he kept his glove. It was an exhibition and I think he was exagerrating it in this game. But Ive stressed that this tactic is only used for a solo shooter with no solid pass option. Also you need extreme Leg power to pull off the legs so low (which at his age is very hard to come by). I dont tell him never to do it but i strongly disagree with this move for a young kid and have told him i dont support it.

I would also like to know if he goes down in dead angle too early in clip 4. In my opinion its to early and makes the shooters eyes get a little to wide. Hes been getting beat on this poisition recently aswell.

Technically he knows what needs to be done and I think he has a ****load of potential to be a gamestopper, but the intensity needs to build going into our playoff run

What do you guys think

[TOMINATOR31]

I think your rink is kinda small....I play on a small rink also and it does make your game different

[Combs28]

Yes reaction time in the neutral zone is key. OUr rink is second smallest in the league, good observation...I really hope construction of rinks will follow an exact structure in CHL rules. Im sick of all the different barns, we need to become consistent. I tell my goalies you have to be ready by the read line in our rink no excpetions no time to be lazy, but as games get going and you have under 10-15 shots it gets tough.

[frankydee]

Quick notes:

Vid 1: The kid loves his posts! Puck along the board, mid zone, he should move out in position.

Vid 2: He plays deep a lot doesn't he?

Vid 4: Shooter is a righty and a little too high to use the dead angle drop. Move out, cut the shot angles and the far post pass opportunity. D in the pass lane, the shooter will think twice before passing. He he shoots, goalie has advantage. Generally, play the shot (75%) and be aware pass of options (25%). By playing it 50-50 here, shooter has more options.

Vid 5: Recover with the puck, not against it. The puck goes left and he takes the long way back in front. Oops.

[dakidder37]

although he looks technically sound, it seems he is missing something. seems like he is thinking what to do rather than just doing it, and therefore is loosing reaction time/speed because of it. think=practice, do =games.

his arms/ gloves look a little lazy, i would tell him to try getting his elbows off his hip. leave a little room between the hip and elbow, and he will be bigger in the net as well. obviously close the hole when needed

i would also run it across him about getting a little more aggressive/deeper stance. it seems like he is standing pretty tall/straight up. if hes more aggressive with his stance he might take up more room horizaontally in the net, and possibly solve, or help his arm/glove problem.(think belfour chicago days, just with a straight back and not as wide of a 5hole) it will also help with stronger pushes and lateral movement because his legs are preloaded. the problem is when kids are younger if they have the leg strength for a deep stance, and closing the five hole in the butterfly coming from the wider stance

on the topic of his butterfly:i dont know what you are doing, but i STRONGLY suggest goin easy on stretches to increase the width of his butterfly and hip flexibility. ive done this before, and was the biggest mistake i have made playing hockey. i blew out my knee three times in two months, and still dont feel like ive fully got my game back. but i do strongly suggest on getting him to use his stick like no other. if he controls his stick he will control any shot within a few inches of the ice.

on a positive note, i think he did a pretty good job being patient at the top of the crease. some goalies tend to back up when the shot is coming, and he seemed to stay out

it looks like he is doin fine for his level, but if he plans on goin higher he might have to change a couple things
hope it helps