Adopting the "Hybrid" style

[Honda123]

Originally Posted by Goalieworld20

i kinda got off topic in my post. the point i was trying to convay to the thread starter was that the more boring a goalie seems, the better job he is probably doing. Giguere is very unspectacular to watch, but keeps the shots he should stop out.

So true. When I play an "unspectacular" game, I know that my positioning, anticpation and rebound control have been perfect.

[kicksave27]

i think being a hybrid really helps with break aways or when guys cut across the net. Players, especially young kids are used to playing Bfly guys. So they just assume they can drop the shoulder and wait for the goalie to go in to the fly and open his legs and easy goal. Or long island a smaller bfly goalie. When you start throwing two pad stacks and richter splits at them, they don't know what's going on. I do fly, but on pure reaction plays I revert back to old school. I just like exploding out of a low crouch vs an upright torso bfly.

[Goalieworld20]

Originally Posted by kicksave27

i think being a hybrid really helps with break aways or when guys cut across the net. Players, especially young kids are used to playing Bfly guys. So they just assume they can drop the shoulder and wait for the goalie to go in to the fly and open his legs and easy goal. Or long island a smaller bfly goalie. When you start throwing two pad stacks and richter splits at them, they don't know what's going on. I do fly, but on pure reaction plays I revert back to old school. I just like exploding out of a low crouch vs an upright torso bfly.

i dont think ur style has anything to do with how you deal with breakaways. i believe the breakaways are the only part of goaltending that is all reflex and instinct. u challange and c wat the shooter does from there, your style doesnt dictate how u handle breakways.

and padstakcs as well as half b-flys etc r just asking to get scored on. a pad stack they just watch as u slide by and then put it on, or flip it right over u. if by chance u make the save, thanx for the rebound. half b-flies make more holes than they close, and the splits should only be used as a last ditch attempt when u screw up (or to make a glove save look pretty haha)

and a b-fly goalie never needs to make a hole between his legs. with quick feet and strong stick positioning, there is never a 5-hole.

Reflex only comes into play in odd situations, such as scrambles (where strong positioning is usually a better substitute) and breaks and odd-man rushes.

cuts across the net. strong post-leg-up positioning with stick placed at the five hole and gloves in position followed by a strong up-leg push across and toward the shooter (depending on his angle)

[#20]

Originally Posted by Goalieworld20

i dont think ur style has anything to do with how you deal with breakaways. i believe the breakaways are the only part of goaltending that is all reflex and instinct. u challange and c wat the shooter does from there, your style doesnt dictate how u handle breakways.

and padstakcs as well as half b-flys etc r just asking to get scored on. a pad stack they just watch as u slide by and then put it on, or flip it right over u. if by chance u make the save, thanx for the rebound. half b-flies make more holes than they close, and the splits should only be used as a last ditch attempt when u screw up (or to make a glove save look pretty haha)

and a b-fly goalie never needs to make a hole between his legs. with quick feet and strong stick positioning, there is never a 5-hole.

Reflex only comes into play in odd situations, such as scrambles (where strong positioning is usually a better substitute) and breaks and odd-man rushes.

cuts across the net. strong post-leg-up positioning with stick placed at the five hole and gloves in position followed by a strong up-leg push across and toward the shooter (depending on his angle)

No... hybrids throw stacks and 1 knee up/down. Bfly guys bfly or bfly slide

[maximum31]

The idea of this is how a butterfly goalie always plays and this is how a hybrid plays is rediculous. Ryan Miller is considered a hybrid goalie as is martin brodeur but to say they are playing the same style would be absurd. Henrik Lundqvist, Cristobal Huet, and Marc Andre Fleury are buttefly goalies but they dont all play the same way. Watching the way an NHL goaltender handles a situation and thinking, "wow I like the way he handled that situation, next time im in that situation i'll step out and use a paddle down" can be productive. Watching a game and thinking, "wow, he sure does paddle down a lot, i'm gonna paddle down a lot too because he does it and he's in the nhl" is harmful. Remember, an NHL goaltender knows things about goaltending we dont even think about and just because an nhl goalie does something in an isolated instance doesnt mean they arent getting yelled at about it in film the next day. So dont use 1 knee drops to be like Cam Ward or Biron or whoever, use it because the shooter is static and at a bad angle, or something...

[Goalieworld20]

im not a butterfly goalie. my style is called "reaction-block" to me the name butterfly is overused and misunderstood (i use it too much as well) it is a save technique used by basically every goalie nowadays.

and percentage wise, pad stacks and half b-flies open more net and are obsolete. you create many more holes and take up much less net while increasing the risk of a rebound with a half b-fly. a pad stack completely takes u out of the play. u are going feet first somewhere , meaning u cant see where, while ending up on your side, back, or stomach with a rebound most likely laying out in a place u dont know. not tomention the whole top of the net is exposed.

statistically, a b-fly+top of the crease will stop more pucks than other possible save selections.

[Back In Net 35]

I was never a butterfly goalie. I stopped playing after high shool (I'm 26 now) and the butterfly stance was becoming really popular back then. I guess my style could be compared to Mike Richter's style of play. I was always out of my crease cutting off angles and did what I had to do to stop the puck. I never reacted to a shot before the puck left a players stick like most goalies do today with butterfly.

The pads I used to have weren't made specifically for butterfly like all the new pads are today. I just picked up a pair of RBK 6k's and when I went down to try them out I was in a perfect butterfly stance which amazed me. I'm trying to get back into playing again since I love the sport and now have free time on my hands but I just hope my game comes back to me and that the new pads don't throw me off.

I used my old pads 2 weeks ago at an open hockey game at a local rink and I played really well considering I haven't played in years. I feel like the game has progressed and so has the skill of players and goalies and being able to master the butterfly with already mastering the standup position from years ago brings an aspect to the game these new goalies don't have. In my opinion, I think I will be going down in butterfly only on screen shots from the point or in the slot. I used to have a low blocker weakness when I was younger and I think the butterfly would help me out in that area as well.

I believe I read somewhere in this thread on how would you go about stacking the pads and from what I remember I would use the "T" style of moving side to side and lead with lets say my left skate while pushing with my right skate then I would kick my right pad under my left pad while my stick was infront of both pads on the ice so from the moment my left leg comes off the ice so it can be stacked with the right pad so there is no room for the shooter to shoot low while the stack is in progress. I used to stack the pads a lot back then, usually on 2-1's close to the crease or if a player skated across the net and had time to get off a high shot.
Hope that helps.

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Goalieworld20

im not a butterfly goalie. my style is called "reaction-block" to me the name butterfly is overused and misunderstood (i use it too much as well) it is a save technique used by basically every goalie nowadays.

and percentage wise, pad stacks and half b-flies open more net and are obsolete. you create many more holes and take up much more net while increasing the risk of a rebound with a half b-fly. a pad stack completely takes u out of the play. u are going feet first somewhere , meaning u cant see where, while ending up on your side, back, or stomach with a rebound most likely laying out in a place u dont know. not tomention the whole top of the net is exposed.

statistically, a b-fly+top of the crease will stop more pucks than other possible save selections.

When when any goalie use a pad stack at the top of the crease?

You can argue a poke check opens more net, blah blah blah. The key is knowing when to use them.

[Goalieworld20]

Originally Posted by Huntster

When when any goalie use a pad stack at the top of the crease?

You can argue a poke check opens more net, blah blah blah. The key is knowing when to use them.

i didnt say either of those things?

i never said u pad stack at the top of the crease... i really dont know when or where ud ever use it because a b-fly slide is quicker and ore convenient, if i need to i just stretch a little further if im not gonna slide across in time.

and poke checks are awesome, i use them all the time, i never said that they make holes or anything... im sorry but where did u see e write those things?

[flopartist]

Originally Posted by Goalieworld20

and percentage wise, pad stacks and half b-flies open more net and are obsolete. you create many more holes and take up much less net while increasing the risk of a rebound with a half b-fly.

Perhaps I might be misunderstanding the term Half-bfly. I am not sure how it would give you any more of a risk for a rebound then a full-bfly save. I execute a half-bfly after reading the play, tracking the puck to one of the pads if the situation calls for it (usually a shot low and away from the centre of the net). I find it easier to recover from a half-bfly for obvious reasons and thus I can move into my next position with a bit more ease. I find the move to be far more efficient then simply doing a full butterfly for every low shot. I use B-flys regularly too but I try not to make a habit of automatically dropping into one on every play. Personally, I think it starts to become a predictable move if overused (just like anything else). I think any rebound I would let out on a half-bfly would be the same as a full Bfly because they are both deflecting pucks off a pad that is flush to the ice.

Maybe my interpretation of a half-bfly is different from what you think it is because I am trying logically figure out how it creates a bigger risk of a rebound. Please explain. Thanks.

[Goalieworld20]

when performing a half b-fly, one knee is down while the other leg is extended straight with the pad face facing the shooter. Since it is facing the shooter when the puck hits the pad it will reirect right back out to the shooter. there is also soemtimes a kicking forward motion with this leg, causing a longer rebound as well in front.

in the b-fly, your pads are angled so that the ouck hits and goes away from where it came. not to mention most saves should be made with the stick if theyre low anyways.

and if u say u can use the stick in the half b-fly, ur rioght, but why? now u have created a large 5-hole openin that is easy to exploit, not to mention in this position holes under your arms open up as well.

i wish i had my goalie coach's pics of this. he had one of his top Jr. A tenders do half b-flys (and he was like wat? i never use those lol) and took pictures. he pointed out all the extra holes that are made than in the pic where the guy is in a full b-fly for the same type of shot.

hope this helps

[illflow29]

visual reference

[illflow29]

i'm adapting more to the true bfly as when done right it's amazing, esp on the lateral movement. however, i still show some stand-up style from my youth on occasion (as you can see from my above picture). it's not a thought out "save selection" process just old school instincts kicking in mostly during scrambles.

in retrospect some of the occasional two pad stacks/poke check combos have thrown off some skilled shooters who are used to pure bfly goalies. but it's all instinctive to the situation, how much control and speed the shooter has, angle you have etc...it's nice to be different though.

[flopartist]

Originally Posted by Goalieworld20

when performing a half b-fly, one knee is down while the other leg is extended straight with the pad face facing the shooter. Since it is facing the shooter when the puck hits the pad it will reirect right back out to the shooter. there is also soemtimes a kicking forward motion with this leg, causing a longer rebound as well in front.

in the b-fly, your pads are angled so that the ouck hits and goes away from where it came. not to mention most saves should be made with the stick if theyre low anyways.

and if u say u can use the stick in the half b-fly, ur rioght, but why? now u have created a large 5-hole openin that is easy to exploit, not to mention in this position holes under your arms open up as well.

i wish i had my goalie coach's pics of this. he had one of his top Jr. A tenders do half b-flys (and he was like wat? i never use those lol) and took pictures. he pointed out all the extra holes that are made than in the pic where the guy is in a full b-fly for the same type of shot.

hope this helps

Thanks for the clarification! I actually thought the half Bfly was a bit different. when I use my version of the half Bfly, the leg pad that is not flush on the ice to make the stop, actually has the skate touching the surface. employ a bit of a wide-ish stance so my "standing leg" looks to be a in a similar position before the save was executed. I use it when the shot is low towards one side and I know I want to make a fast recovery and move towards where I have purposely re-directed the puck. If both my knees were on the ice, I would simply do a full butterfly as the standard half Bfly would not buy me much more time.

I just like keeping my skates on the ice as much as possible in order to move to my next location. In terms of blocking surface, the full bfly is far superior but it just depends on what my next planned move will be.

To sum it up the scenario where I would use such a move is this:

Clear path between he forward who is initiating the shot and myself. I have already noted an opposing player on the side where the low shot is going too and I want to be fully recovered and repositioned before he can coral any possible rebound.

I guess I can't call that move a half bfly anymore and sorry for the confusion

[Goalieworld20]

Originally Posted by illflow29

visual reference

thank u, this is a perfect example of what ive been taught NOT to do haha...

but im not the greatest goalie of all time so take my advice to what it is hehe, but again thank u. this picture is perfect