Still no call and its been almost a week since tryouts? Protocall?

[#20]

Originally Posted by goalie god

Easy boys, the kid makes a point. Just because he's not sucking up to the coach, doesn't mean he has a bad attitude or that he is a cancer. If I were a coach I'd much rather take a hard worker who goes about his business quietly rather than the kid who's always in my face, coach's aren't dumb, they know when a kid is sucking up to them, and in my short experience, they aren't too fond of it.

Thank you, I knew I wasnt insane.

[Steve L]

Originally Posted by goalie god

Easy boys, the kid makes a point. Just because he's not sucking up to the coach, doesn't mean he has a bad attitude or that he is a cancer. If I were a coach I'd much rather take a hard worker who goes about his business quietly rather than the kid who's always in my face, coach's aren't dumb, they know when a kid is sucking up to them, and in my short experience, they aren't too fond of it.

Where did I ever say he should suck up o the coach? The fact that he read that into it shows me a ton about his attitude. Players who are leaders, who have repect, and who will be positive members of a team will talk to the coach, not to "suck up" or kiss ass, but openly and honestly show their desire to be a part of the team.

Any good coach can tell the difference between a suck up and a leader, though both will make an effort to talk to the coach.

And anyway, that was point #5, and it only comes after you've established 1 through 4.

[klemmer35]

Originally Posted by #20

Thats just asskissing to me...
And on top of that basing half of a decision on how a goalie would respond to that, WOW i think thats rediculous

I don't talk to the coach unless I absolutely have to

Where to begin with this statement?

Not talking to the coach? Bad move. How are you going to improve without the feedback they provide? How are you going to know what he needs you to do to accomplish his practice goals for the team in front of you if you don't talk with him

As far as the other goalie not making the team based on his response; why even try out if you don't want to give your all? Without being there, I can tell you his stock dropped with that response.

[#20]

Originally Posted by Steve L

Where did I everf say he should suck up o the coach? the fact that he read that into it shows me a ton about his attitude? Players who are leaders, who have repect, and who will be positive members of a team will talk to the coach, not to "suck up" or kiss ass, but openly and honestly sow their desire to be a part of the team.

Any good coach can tell the difference between a suck up and a leader, though both will make an effort to talk to the coach.

And anyway, that was point #5, and it only comes after you've established 1 through 4.

Look guy, if you are waiting for a player to come up and say "I want to play for your team" at TRYOUTS then I doubt you're looking at the right criteria. If you don't have anything to say to the coach (unless it's a legit question) why go and ask stupid questions OR kiss ass? There really isn't much of a choice

[colavs454]

I'm still wating for a call saying if I made the team I tried out for last year. No call is a bad sign. I'd just contact them, & if by chance you do get cut, try to get as much info as possible as to what they wanted, why you didn't fit the mold, what you can improve on, etc.

[goalie god]

Originally Posted by klemmer35

Where to begin with this statement?

Not talking to the coach? Bad move. How are you going to improve without the feedback they provide? How are you going to know what he needs you to do to accomplish his practice goals for the team in front of you if you don't talk with him

As far as the other goalie not making the team based on his response; why even try out if you don't want to give your all? Without being there, I can tell you his stock dropped with that response.

Very true, however when it's said that you should compliment the coach on how he runs the practice, that crosses the line to asskissing. There is nothing wrong with communicating with the coach about what you're doing right or wrong, but I'd keep it to that. The man's your coach, not your friend.


Edit: my bad, meant to quote Steve L's comment before. Not sure how to fix that...

[klemmer35]

Originally Posted by #20

Coach: This kid hasnt told me anything about how well i run tryouts... must have a bad attitude.
?

I know how much they talk because in my area my old bantam coaches are out to piss in my cereal because they were bitter that I quit their team after getting my playing time robbed even though they promised to play me the majority of the time. The club I tried out for wouldn't even bother with talking to those coaches

By your own admission, you've quit on teams and that reputation has undoubtedly spread. Good luck making any team in the future.

You might want to learn about taking responsibility for your actions.

Perhaps the other guys were working harder in practice, talking to the coach about their weaknesses, or maybe coach didn't like the paint job or your mask....

[#20]

Originally Posted by klemmer35

Perhaps the other guys were working harder in practice, talking to the coach about their weaknesses, or maybe coach didn't like the paint job or your mask....

Nobody talked to him jsut for ****s and giggles. He talked to returning players in the lockerroom... everything was straightforward

[Steve L]

Originally Posted by #20

Nobody talked to him jsut for ****s and giggles. He talked to returning players in the lockerroom... everything was straightforward

You probably don't even realize that we are trying to give you helpful information, so that maybe someday you can actually make a team, instead of whining about not making the team.

Whether you like it or not, that's the way hockey, and the rest of life, is.

Why do you even bother to ask questions here?

[klemmer35]

Originally Posted by #20

Nobody talked to him jsut for ****s and giggles. He talked to returning players in the lockerroom... everything was straightforward

Before every practice, I would ask the coach what he wanted to accomplish that day in drills.

We also frequently discussed the goals I gave up, both good and bad.

Asskissing? Hardly. Communication between two individuals wanting to make me AND the team better.

Thanking him for the tryout is nothing more than writing a thank you note after a job interview. It's common courtesy, and can make the difference in whether or not you get the job/ make the team.

[#20]

Originally Posted by klemmer35

Before every practice, I would ask the coach what he wanted to accomplish that day in drills.

We also frequently discussed the goals I gave up, both good and bad.

Asskissing? Hardly. Communication between two individuals wanting to make me AND the team better.

Thanking him for the tryout is nothing more than writing a thank you note after a job interview. It's common courtesy, and can make the difference in whether or not you get the job/ make the team.

not in tryouts. I don't see what your practice regimen has anything to do with this

Steve- Helpful is in the eye of the beholder...

[The Wall33]

Personally, and I say this as a paid evaluator of many tryouts, whether or not a kid says thank you at the end of a tryout has very little to do with his ability to make the team.

Yes it is polite and yes it will not hurt your standing with me, but it will make virtually no difference to your rank. Personally, I do not like artificial suckups, they are transparent and can easily be spotted. Let your work ethic and puck stopping talent speak for you. Come to the tryout in peak shape - that will speak way more volume than words.

I make a point of meeting with the goalies after the session to explain why they were cut. That is a good time to ask detailed questions regarding areas needing improvement.

Wellsie

[morphius]

been a couple days... you still a suitcase or are you on the team?

[Steve L]

Originally Posted by The Wall33

Personally, and I say this as a paid evaluator of many tryouts, whether or not a kid says thank you at the end of a tryout has very little to do with his ability to make the team.

Yes it is polite and yes it will not hurt your standing with me, but it will make virtually no difference to your rank. Personally, I do not like artificial suckups, they are transparent and can easily be spotted. Let your work ethic and puck stopping talent speak for you. Come to the tryout in peak shape - that will speak way more volume than words.

I make a point of meeting with the goalies after the session to explain why they were cut. That is a good time to ask detailed questions regarding areas needing improvement.

Wellsie

Strange how everyone is focusing on, and clearly misundertanding, what was probably the least significant part of my post. Sucking up to the coach obviously isn't a good thing, nor was it what I was saying. #20 is focusing on that one comment because he's a punk with a bad attitude, and probably can't really argue positively in his favor regarding the first four points. If he has half the talent he says he does, then what is the real reason he keeps getting cut from teams?

However, if a coach talks to you, and you show no motivation or enthusiasm, that is going to tell him something. Maybe it is different out here, where there are no districts, and kids can try out for any team they want, going to multiple team tryouts a day sometimes. We want to make sure we offer spots to kids who really want to play for us, not as a second or third choice just in case they don't make another team.

It is fairly common out here to offer a kid a spot, then have your next choice run off and sign somewhere else, only to find that the kid you offered the spot to has gone to another tryout later that day and signed with that club. Now you are out both players.

Anyway, reread my original post, #1 through #4 are the real important points, but anything you can do to legitimately make yourself more noticable in a positive manner only helps.

Tier 1 tryouts start out here in just a few weeks, with Tier 2 the following week, so we're all focused on getting ready to fully evaluate kids.

[The Wall33]

Originally Posted by Steve L

Strange how everyone is focusing on, and clearly misundertanding, what was probably the least significant part of my post. Sucking up to the coach obviously isn't a good thing, nor was it what I was saying. #20 is focusing on that one comment because he's a punk with a bad attitude, and probably can't really argue positively in his favor regarding the first four points. If he has half the talent he says he does, then what is the real reason he keeps getting cut from teams?

However, if a coach talks to you, and you show no motivation or enthusiasm, that is going to tell him something. Maybe it is different out here, where there are no districts, and kids can try out for any team they want, going to multiple team tryouts a day sometimes. We want to make sure we offer spots to kids who really want to play for us, not as a second or third choice just in case they don't make another team.

It is fairly common out here to offer a kid a spot, then have your next choice run off and sign somewhere else, only to find that the kid you offered the spot to has gone to another tryout later that day and signed with that club. Now you are out both players.

Anyway, reread my original post, #1 through #4 are the real important points, but anything you can do to legitimately make yourself more noticable in a positive manner only helps.

Tier 1 tryouts start out here in just a few weeks, with Tier 2 the following week, so we're all focused on getting ready to fully evaluate kids.

I have no probs with the 4 points you have listed, they are legit. My point is simply that sucking up to the coach is not needed and in some cases will be ill received. Let your on ice and gym work speak volumes, not your lips.

I do not know #20 as a person, he may or may not be a ****y kid with an attitude problem. Short of spending some serious time with him and/or doing a background check with his previous coaches we will likely never know.

As a coach I expect kids to be respectful, to listen carefully and to execute the drills to the best of their abilities. That's a baseline requirement for any high level sport, hockey or otherwise. If you cannot do those simple tasks you will be in trouble no matter what you are doing in life.

I do not expect (or need) them to be my friend & I do not require them to suck up to me. On ice performance, fitness testing results and due diligence with school marks and former coaches will fill in the missing blanks.

I think we agree on virtually everything, just not the need to over exagerate your enthusiam with the coaching staff.

DW