Any GOOD supplements out there?

[foubie30]

hey guys i was wondering about a workout plan
what do you think a good two day workout plan for upper body would be?

[ThePM]

Originally Posted by foubie30

hey guys i was wondering about a workout plan
what do you think a good two day workout plan for upper body would be?

You go to school, no? Talk to your gym teacher(s) as they are most qualified to help you as they know your bodytype.

Also, there is no simple workout plan to use. Do some research online (google) and find out what exercises will suit you. You might be trying to gain weight, tone, muscle mass, speed, etc.

[ThePM]

Originally Posted by steele3311

Another question i have about Whey protein is when to take it? I plan on taking it twice a day and i read on a website that the best time to take it is immideatley after your workout for best results. So i figure i'll take it once right after my workout, but when should i take it the second time?

Whey protein is excellent, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. When do you work out? I used to at 1PM, so my second serving would be around 8-9PM after my nightly run or cardio exercise.

The only 3 supplements I find necessary are:
Multi-vitamin.
Fish oils !!! essential
Whey protein shakes

I also find Creatine makes a huge difference. Some people gain 5lb's max (like myself) others can gain 10lb's+ just with the creatine. However, the best part of it is how quickly you bounce back. I am absolutely more able to play back-to-backs, or just more frequently during the week with less burn and exhaustion. I wouldn't use it during the off-season for training, but during the season when you have practice's every day and games every other day. I'm no scientist, though.

[steele3311]

Originally Posted by ThePM

Whey protein is excellent, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. When do you work out? I used to at 1PM, so my second serving would be around 8-9PM after my nightly run or cardio exercise.

The only 3 supplements I find necessary are:
Multi-vitamin.
Fish oils !!! essential
Whey protein shakes

I also find Creatine makes a huge difference. Some people gain 5lb's max (like myself) others can gain 10lb's+ just with the creatine. However, the best part of it is how quickly you bounce back. I am absolutely more able to play back-to-backs, or just more frequently during the week with less burn and exhaustion. I wouldn't use it during the off-season for training, but during the season when you have practice's every day and games every other day. I'm no scientist, though.

Yea I posted that like 20 days ago when i started the whey protein and so far its been working out great. Right now i have no school so i workout in the morning when i wake up and take it right after that workout, but during the school year i work out in the afternoon between 3 and 4 when i get out of school. I usually take my second serving at like between like 7 or 8 pm after i run or swim or both.
Plenty of football players at my school take creatine and it has been working for them. I would take it by my dad won't let me b/c he thinks its like a steroid lol. I don't really care though because the whey protein is working out pretty good. I may start taking creatine though during hockey workouts with my team in the winter if my dad lets me.

[foubie30]

well right now since its summer i usually work out around 12 noon or 1pm and i bought some whey protien and the guy told me to take it before i work out so i do that. i am trying to bulk up a bit but i am mostly just trying to get stronger.
Also right now i am playing hockey once a week and i also play inline once a week so would creatine be a good choice to take right now?

[foubie30]

all i am looking for is your opinion on which muscles to work on which days.
also should i do a two or 3 day program for upper body?

[aaron_r77]

Mucsle milk is a great supplement it not only has protein it also has tons of other stuff that is found in human mothers milk the most anabolic human substance ever... It also tastes realy good if you mix it with milk.... cows milk...

[jsgoal1]

Originally Posted by steele3311

take creatine and it has been working for them. I would take it by my dad won't let me b/c he thinks its like a steroid lol. I don't really care though because the whey protein is working out pretty good. I may start taking creatine though during hockey workouts with my team in the winter if my dad lets me.

FYI- Creatine is an amino acid just like your whey protein. If you do decide to take it make sure you are drinking north of a gallon of H20 a day.
For giggles tell your dad that if he has ever eaten red meat he has had creatine! I always say this to people who believe creatine is a steroid.

[Matador29]

I'll throw in my .02

I lift three days a week and run on off days. This doesn't include the hockey I play. I take what ThePM takes

fish oils (EFA)
Multivitamin
Whey protein shakes

no creatine (I personally don't think it works for me)
I also take hydroxycut hardcore (not the max dosage cuz thats just crazy)

My lifting is mostly all lower body (squats, leg press, lunges, hamstring curls). So I work out legs 3 times a week. You don't need curls or triceps really. I bench press a little bit. You forgot the missing ingredient which i'm not sure many people mentioned...

ABS!!!!!!! I work out my abs like a demon and that muscle grouping heals the fastest so you can work them out frequently. Medicine ball situps (with a friend) are great. Your core is underestimated in you speed as a goalie so work abs and legs and you should see an improvement in your play!!!!!!!

If you want to gain weight, follow the other guys' advice. Remember that you don't need to be huge to play net, speed is better (IMO)

[ThePM]

Originally Posted by Matador29

ABS!!!!!!! I work out my abs like a demon and that muscle grouping heals the fastest so you can work them out frequently. Medicine ball situps (with a friend) are great. Your core is underestimated in you speed as a goalie so work abs and legs and you should see an improvement in your play!!!!!!!

If you want to gain weight, follow the other guys' advice. Remember that you don't need to be huge to play net, speed is better (IMO)

There are so many fun, and rather painful, things you can do with your abs. I'd say the abs are most important than any other muscle for hockey as a goalie.

To get huge, you only need to do 3-4 exercises: Squats, Benchpress, Deadlifts, Wide-set pull ups, and a couple other main exercises. A system of 5 x 5 (not including warmups) at max weight basically leads you to gain weight. I'm starting that in a week or so, and I'll be keeping a diary to show weight gain and how well I increase on the exercises.

It will be slightly biased due to the fact that I'll be resuming my creatine cycle at the same time.

[Goalieman33]

their is a bunch of **** out their what is your goal? mass strenght weght loss etc... then you find what is right.

[hamstercaster]

I'm with the no supplement squad as unless you are aiming to become Mr. Universe, IMO, non one should be taking supplements. Although there aren't really any regular side effect with creatine for exemple, it doesn't mean you will not have them. I had explosive dirreahs when I took creatine. On my way to work I often had to stop at the nearest restaurant to my bus stop and go otherwise I would have **** my pants. There are stories about cramping and kidney problems too. cramping is often related to a lack of hydration while kidney problems were often there before but the person was not aware of it and creatine only made it a bit worse, or worse enough to notice. One other thing people don't seem to realize is that although creatine is not steroids, there are still chances that your muscles will get stronger much faster than want your joints and ligaments will be able to handle.

Back in 1997, I took creatine for 1 month. I had been training for quite a bit and was quite fit at the time but had hit a plateau. within a week or two I went from 35 lbs dumbells on side lateral raises to 50 lbs. I got a big increse on the bench press too... and that's when I injured my elbow and to this day, any time I attempt a to start any weightlifting program, my elbow does not feel right if I lift on more on the heavy side. So that is something to watch for. But I gained about 8 or 10 pounds of muscle in one month while losing about 10-15 pounds of fat as my workout regimen just sky rocketed and I was training way more intensily.

However, it doesn't mean it's the way to go. Anone working out to get fit and/or stronger shouldn't need any supplement as long as you have healthy eating habits and provided that you eat enough and that doesn't mean having a dozen of eggs for breakfast, a chicken for lunch and half a cow for dinner. Eating 3 or 4 ounces more than what is recommended per meal along with whole grain bread/pasta and lots of fruits and vegetables should provide what you need to stay healthy and to feed your muscles. Now, note that you need your proteins for muscle repair as it is what will repair your muscles along with rest and sleep and that will ultimiatly make you bigger, muscle wise while carbs are no more or less than a energy source that your muscles can access right away, right when you need it, hence the importance of eating some type of good carbs an hour or so before your work out and protein within an hour after your workout and ultimatly 30 minutes after for better results. All these supplements out there that give you more energy are not necessarily good for you as the mixture of ingredients is often mediocre at best and are often ingredients that no one knows anything about. also, mixing different supplements is not necessarily a good idea either as more often than not, the person using them does not know what problems can be cause with the different supplements interacting together.

Those who regularly use supplements will tell you to take them and give you the names of what they think is best while does who advocate against the use of supplements will tell you otherwise which leaves you to decide what you are going to do. As with anything in life, there usually are not shortcuts worth taking to achieve your goals. For exemple, I need to lose weight and I know that healthy eating combined with exercise is the way to go but like anyone else needing to lose weight, I tend to want to use all those dietary supplements you can find out there. I don't use them but have used them in the past and know they work, to a certain extent but it is not permanent. The same goes with supplements. If you use them for your workouts, you will more than likely need to use them until you stop working out as most of the gains done using supplements will/may be lost once you stop taking those supplements.

Ultimatly it's your choice and your choice only but honnestly, I don't see why you would want to gain 20 pounds of mucles so fast. Sure, you'll be stronger but you will not be much bigger in net, although 20 lbs of muscle is a lot but if you gain most of it in your legs, back, arms and shoulder.. and maybe chest, you won't be much bigger in nets as you will still wear the same size pants and pads and probably c/a protector.. so will there really be any benefits?

[Grams47]

Forget spending all your money on chemicals and who knows what else. Buy the book "Starting Strength: Basic Barbell Training" by Mark Rippetoe, and follow the gallon-a-day suggestion. That is, one gallon of milk per day plus a normal (healthy!) diet. It is possible for a trainee that puts in the time, and most importantly effort, to put on 40# in a year, nevermind getting strong as an ox.

As an added bonus, you don't need to mix anything, and it's probably on par with if not cheaper than whatever ultra-mega-beefcake gunk you could get at GNC.

In case you're wondering Starting Strength is a mix of 5 exercises: Low bar back squat, bench press, deadlift, shoulder press, and power cleans. If you're serious and willing to work hard under the bar, check it out.

[ThePM]

Originally Posted by hamstercaster

I'm with the no supplement squad as unless you are aiming to become Mr. Universe, IMO, non one should be taking supplements. Although there aren't really any regular side effect with creatine for exemple, it doesn't mean you will not have them. I had explosive dirreahs when I took creatine.

That could be due to several reasons. Some people literally cannot adjust to the creatine in take.

Were you loading (and if so, were you doing it properly), or just easing on at 5grams a day? Were you drinking 3-4L a day of water? Was it micronised creatine?

Before I started taking creatine I spent quite a bit of time reading up on it on various message boards, websites (biased and the like included) before I started taking it.

[foubie30]

whats the difference between whey concentrate and whey isolate?