Any GOOD supplements out there?

[vort3x]

I've been on 3 different programs in the past year and started regularly using Whey protein over the past four months. The first two programs were strictly weight training, and I didn't notice many results at all. I started using whey towards the end of the second and started seeing minimal results (may have been because I was using larger weights too).

The third program I've used is my own modified p90x. After following it closely and using whey after each workout I've noticed great results so far. I've modified it to suit my needs a little bit, so I don't know if the program itself is best for you. However, in my opinion using a program with 3 solid weight training days (abs of each of those days), a day of plyos, and a day of stretching may do the trick. I haven't weighed myself in about a month so I'm not sure how much I've gained, but I'm definitely stronger, more agile and more flexible than 2 months ago.

To shed some light on the "do these protein supplements even work?" question, I'd say yes, from my personal experience. Being a university student with the dream of making it to the show shot long ago, I don't always have time (or the money) to eat properly in large portions 7 days a week. I've found by using a cup of whey (31g protein) after a workout and eating 2 chicken breasts or a large steak (plus veggies etc.) for dinner my body has developed much more in the past 2 months than the previous 8.

[steelhmr]

Originally Posted by vort3x

I've been on 3 different programs in the past year and started regularly using Whey protein over the past four months. The first two programs were strictly weight training, and I didn't notice many results at all. I started using whey towards the end of the second and started seeing minimal results (may have been because I was using larger weights too).

The third program I've used is my own modified p90x. After following it closely and using whey after each workout I've noticed great results so far. I've modified it to suit my needs a little bit, so I don't know if the program itself is best for you. However, in my opinion using a program with 3 solid weight training days (abs of each of those days), a day of plyos, and a day of stretching may do the trick. I haven't weighed myself in about a month so I'm not sure how much I've gained, but I'm definitely stronger, more agile and more flexible than 2 months ago.

To shed some light on the "do these protein supplements even work?" question, I'd say yes, from my personal experience. Being a university student with the dream of making it to the show shot long ago, I don't always have time (or the money) to eat properly in large portions 7 days a week. I've found by using a cup of whey (31g protein) after a workout and eating 2 chicken breasts or a large steak (plus veggies etc.) for dinner my body has developed much more in the past 2 months than the previous 8.

how do you know the whey protein is doing anything at all? you said yourself that you train differently now than when you did didn't take the whey protein. maybe the changes are just a result of better training methods. also, no matter what you do, it takes time and hard work to change your body and athletic performance.

i'm not saying it doesn't work, i just think people exaggerate the effects of whey protein as if its some kind of miracle supplement and get caught up with buzzwords like '190% bioavailabiltiy' even though they probably couldn't define the word themselves. just train hard and realize that supplements are not a substitute for hard work and a good diet. they should be the icing on the cake, not the flour. and on top of that you shouldn't be eating cake anyway so...

[johnnybravo30]

Originally Posted by foubie30

whats the difference between whey concentrate and whey isolate?

Due to different processing methods, whey isolate is more concentrated (more grams of actual protein per gram of powder) that whey concentrate. It might be a difference of 27g protein per 30g scoop vs. 22g per 30g scoop, so the efficiency of taking isolate over concentrate is negligible.

Isolate becomes useful for those who are lactose intolerant, as the processing leaves the product nearly free of lactose. Isolates are also used lunatics that won't intake the 3g of carbs found in your typical whey blend. Isolates might digest slightly faster, but perhaps too fast for anything but a post workout shake.

The real difference is the price. Isolates cost way more than whey blends. Whey blends (containing a mix of isolate and concentrate) are the most common proteins sold because they are effective without breaking the bank.

Another more expensive blend might feature micellar cassein, possibly along side whey, which digests more slowly. Due to their fat content, no protein shakes taste better than these.

[johnnybravo30]

Originally Posted by foubie30

whats the difference between whey concentrate and whey isolate?

double post

[hamstercaster]

Originally Posted by ThePM

That could be due to several reasons. Some people literally cannot adjust to the creatine in take.

Were you loading (and if so, were you doing it properly), or just easing on at 5grams a day? Were you drinking 3-4L a day of water? Was it micronised creatine?

Before I started taking creatine I spent quite a bit of time reading up on it on various message boards, websites (biased and the like included) before I started taking it.

It was during the easing on at 5 grams a day part. The first week was the loading and everything seem to go fine. It's in the third week it started. As for the micronised part, I don't know, that was back in 1997 and I don't remember or know whether it was micronised or not. Also, At a bout the same time I started getting explosive dirreahs, I also started getting heart burns to the point it would keep me up all night. I quit creatine a week later and everything went back to normal afterwards.

[velocity7070]

I am looking to start a workout routine for the summer and was wondering if anyone could give me their opinion. I am 15 years old and only 115 pounds. I start for my high school jv team but I think if i can gain a little strength I could play varsity next year. What do you think would be a good work out for me. O ya i can only bench like 70 lbs. so keep that in mind. and are supplements ok for me to take at my age. Thanks

[ThePM]

Originally Posted by velocity7070

I am looking to start a workout routine for the summer and was wondering if anyone could give me their opinion. I am 15 years old and only 115 pounds. I start for my high school jv team but I think if i can gain a little strength I could play varsity next year. What do you think would be a good work out for me. O ya i can only bench like 70 lbs. so keep that in mind. and are supplements ok for me to take at my age. Thanks

Have you read anything in this thread? Or even the forum?

[Ryeno42]

You really need to bulk up or your going to get injuried.

Benchpress, squat, and every else inbetween.

Go workout with the football team over the summer and work on strength and size until late august.

[velocity7070]

Thanks for the advice. I just started my program and guess what. I pulled my hamstring doing walking lunges.

[foubie30]

protein is safe for anyone to take and you should go for some of the weight gainer protein shakes because at 15 you should be up around the 130 mark. I am 16 at 155 and i have some kids on my hockey team that are over 200

[Aebischerfan1]

Originally Posted by foubie30

protein is safe for anyone to take and you should go for some of the weight gainer protein shakes because at 15 you should be up around the 130 mark. I am 16 at 155 and i have some kids on my hockey team that are over 200

That's pretty stupid to say how much he should weigh based on his age. It completely depends on how tall/ how far through puberty he is. I've seen 15 year olds that are barely 5 feet tall and still look like elementary schoolers, and i've also seen some 15 year olds that are over 6 feet tall and already have facial hair. I doubt both of the kids I described would be "around the 130 mark."

[leaferguy]

Originally Posted by Matador29

ABS!!!!!!! I work out my abs like a demon and that muscle grouping heals the fastest so you can work them out frequently. Medicine ball situps (with a friend) are great. Your core is underestimated in you speed as a goalie so work abs and legs and you should see an improvement in your play!!!!!!!

Didn't see this addressed previously, so I apologize if I'm stepping on toes...

Core means more than abs. Core includes lower back and I think pelvis and hips, too. It's not just about speed. A solid core leads to better stability and stamina. I do agree that you should not ignore it, but there's more to it than crunches and situps.

One of the best core exercises I've found is the leg raise on a power tower (not sure what it's actually called...). Also, work involving a balance ball is never a bad idea.

[ThePM]

Originally Posted by leaferguy

One of the best core exercises I've found is the leg raise on a power tower (not sure what it's actually called...). Also, work involving a balance ball is never a bad idea.

There are 2 great exercises related to that. One is standing on a balance board, holding a medicine ball and doing squats. It is exhausting.

The second one is using 2 balance boards (one at feet, one at hands) and doing pushups. You will notice a dramatic increase in balance after doing this for a couple weeks.

[Goalieman33]

if anyone would like to buy protien or creadrive from gnc please let me know. i have them and barely used.