Narrow butterfly on stick side; stick inside or out?

[Coldaccord]

Seeing more and more of the narrow butterfly on off angles, it seems everyone disagrees on where the stick should be. Sliding to the post (stick side) on a narrow butterfly, your stick would get caught in the net. however to move so it doesn't, you're taking your blocker and arm out of position, as well as your stick (however knees and stacks usually cover the 5 hole).

how do you guys feel about this? and please no joe-shmoe responses from house and beer leaguers

[foodsample]

I usually just let those ones in ... It just isn't worth the whole hassle?

[Pokey47]

Originally Posted by Coldaccord

Seeing more and more of the narrow butterfly on off angles, it seems everyone disagrees on where the stick should be. Sliding to the post (stick side) on a narrow butterfly, your stick would get caught in the net. however to move so it doesn't, you're taking your blocker and arm out of position, as well as your stick (however knees and stacks usually cover the 5 hole).

how do you guys feel about this? and please no joe-shmoe responses from house and beer leaguers

Watching the ProHybrid Training video. In the narrow butterfly to the post for blocking, the goalie is outside the area of the net. If your stick is getting caught on the net then you are in too tight and not challenging out from the net enough.

And don't discount beer leaguers because we're beer leaguers, it doesn't mean we don't have knowledge, it might just mean we can't excecute it

[foubie30]

if the shooter is far enough away that you can butterfly then challenge and you might not even need a narrow butterfly but if theyre in tight i use the post leg up and far side leg down also u must take into account the side the shooter shootes on (left handed and right handed) if his stick is closer to the middle of the ice you might not want to use the one leg up one down because its easier for him to shoot high far side so u might want to just stay up, but if his stick is towards the boards then the one leg up one down is a good idea but you must get your glove or blocker up to cover the short side top shelf as this is a very attractive choice for good shooters and you need to make sure there are no holes through you

[foodsample]

Seriously though ...

In that situation, where someone is coming down the right side .. if it is a tight enough angle that would force me to use a tight B-fly in order to keep my Torso centered, I would probably do what the previous poster suggested (Post Leg up, Far Leg down with stick covering the hole, allowing my blocker to stay high and block that inside sniper) OR... if it was the heat of the moment, and I didn't have time to get into position .. I would most likely pull a Giggy (super narrow b-fly to cover a TIGHt angle that I know I am on, using my knee pads to cover my 5-hole).

However if you know a shot is coming ... and the shooter is past the circle, then you want to execute a standing up 2 pad save (oldschool standup style). Which will prevent any topshelf snipers that your open to from far away, if you do the 1 pad up 1 pad down save. However, is important that the standup 2 pad save be executed last minute, since you are left out of position to react to any pass into the slot.

[Coldaccord]

Originally Posted by Pokey47

Watching the ProHybrid Training video. In the narrow butterfly to the post for blocking, the goalie is outside the area of the net. If your stick is getting caught on the net then you are in too tight and not challenging out from the net enough.

And don't discount beer leaguers because we're beer leaguers, it doesn't mean we don't have knowledge, it might just mean we can't excecute it

On off angle shots you don't need to be that far out, there's no angle anyway. I coached a camp with Pro Hybrid Training, I currently coach for Bob Janosz (coach for the Americans, asst for the Sabres. He's in Buffalo, Zach's in Minnesota so I had to stay local lol). I'm a big fan of zach's system and I can't say enough good things about it, especially the style he teaches it.

when sliding into the post on a narrow butterfly after an angle adjustment (pass, etc) Zach teaches to let the butt end of the stick go inside the post. I just wanted to see what others did.

[Coldaccord]

Originally Posted by foubie30

if the shooter is far enough away that you can butterfly then challenge and you might not even need a narrow butterfly but if theyre in tight i use the post leg up and far side leg down also u must take into account the side the shooter shootes on (left handed and right handed) if his stick is closer to the middle of the ice you might not want to use the one leg up one down because its easier for him to shoot high far side so u might want to just stay up, but if his stick is towards the boards then the one leg up one down is a good idea but you must get your glove or blocker up to cover the short side top shelf as this is a very attractive choice for good shooters and you need to make sure there are no holes through you

what I'm referring to is sliding into the post, not a situation when you really have time to go knee-down (hybrid, VH, etc).

and yes you should always square up to the stick blade on the shooter's body. and blockerside knee down you can't really have your blocker up there or it takes your stick out of position

[Coldaccord]

Originally Posted by foodsample

Seriously though ...

In that situation, where someone is coming down the right side .. if it is a tight enough angle that would force me to use a tight B-fly in order to keep my Torso centered, I would probably do what the previous poster suggested (Post Leg up, Far Leg down with stick covering the hole, allowing my blocker to stay high and block that inside sniper) OR... if it was the heat of the moment, and I didn't have time to get into position .. I would most likely pull a Giggy (super narrow b-fly to cover a TIGHt angle that I know I am on, using my knee pads to cover my 5-hole).

However if you know a shot is coming ... and the shooter is past the circle, then you want to execute a standing up 2 pad save (oldschool standup style). Which will prevent any topshelf snipers that your open to from far away, if you do the 1 pad up 1 pad down save. However, is important that the standup 2 pad save be executed last minute, since you are left out of position to react to any pass into the slot.

i dont think i would use the narrow butterfly if it's one shooter walking the puck in, as I would likely be outside the post. but yes, giggy-fly is the narrow butterfly. Hybrid teaches it, and after coaching with them I was convinced. Also, GDI's magazine had an article about it a few months back

[maximum31]

Unless your going post to post, your boot should be on the post and your body should be outside, so your stick should be properly positioned. even if your going post to post your body should rotate and your stick should be fine, from a bad angle you definately dont want your stick ramped from this angle cause youll be deep and pucks can ramp up into the net.

[CubanPuckstoppr]

Originally Posted by Coldaccord

how do you guys feel about this? and please no joe-shmoe responses from house and beer leaguers

You may be better than most of us, in fact you might be better than all of us here, (although I could not tell that from the goalie pool list that your are a part of),

Even if you are in the top 1% of GSBB members, I still your attitude to be too condescending for the purpose of our Dr. Forum.


While you may not be able to learn from our members, I'm sure there are many beerleaguers who can learn from you. Your approach discourages that. The sooner we tell people thay are not permitted to post in a thread thast discusses playing the position, the sooner this forum will cease to exist.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by CubanPuckstoppr

You may be better than most of us, in fact you might be better than all of us here, (although I could not tell that from the goalie pool list that your are a part of),

Even if you are in the top 1% of GSBB members, I still your attitude to be too condescending for the purpose of our Dr. Forum.


While you may not be able to learn from our members, I'm sure there are many beerleaguers who can learn from you. Your approach discourages that. The sooner we tell people thay are not permitted to post in a thread thast discusses playing the position, the sooner this forum will cease to exist.

Couldn't agree more.

Wise people learn from everyone. There are a lot of people who have great credentials that I think know less than the local guy coaching kids for fun.

[Cujo_64]

[quote=sloth2946;1269807]Couldn't agree more.

Wise people learn from everyone. There are a lot of people who have great credentials that I think know less than the local guy coaching kids for fun.[/QUOTE]

agreed !!

[foodsample]

I think what he ment is ... If you dont know for sure what your talking about, then dont come up with something for the sake of posting. That way we can keep the discussion on a correct course. If we have people blasting various diffrent methods that may work for them, then the thread looses its purpose of utility to others who want to learn from the discussion.

[dgconner154]

Then post it on "Pro Goalies Only" message board. The way I read it was - if you're a beer league goalie, you're opinion doesn't matter to me. This board is a great resource for all levels of goalies. That was a lame comment.

[Coldaccord]

Originally Posted by foodsample

I think what he ment is ... If you dont know for sure what your talking about, then dont come up with something for the sake of posting. That way we can keep the discussion on a correct course. If we have people blasting various diffrent methods that may work for them, then the thread looses its purpose of utility to others who want to learn from the discussion.

I wasn't trying to offend anyone nor be condescending. Also, I do believe there are likely many goalies who are not playing anywhere who can offer advice.

However, in the past many posts have been clouded with antiquated techniques and opinions by joe shmoe who doesn't really have anything pertinent to offer modern goaltending, and threads become overrun with misinformation.

I guess people will bitch whatever you do though, so whatever. let the tears run softly