hand pass

[fische]

I have a rules question regards a goal scored during one of my son's squirt games this weekend.

Heres the situation:

Player in the slot shoots at goal & goalie makes the save leaving a rebound that gets batted around in the goal crease. Goalie goes down and puck slides underneath him & stops in the crease and hasn't crossed the goal line. Player also falls ends up sitting behind the goalie in the crease and can't get his stick on the puck that still sits in plain sight. Player then takes his glove and hand passes to himself as he sits in the crease. Then player uses stick to poke the puck into the goal. Ruled a goal by the referee. I'm curious, is this the correct call?

Thanks

[sloth2946]

As long as the puck did not cross the goal line directly AFTER contact with the hand. If he hand passes it to himself, to his stick, then shovels it in, goal. If his stick is in behind the goal line when it contacts the puck after it hits his hand, then no goal. But your situation sounds like it was a goal.

[stollie_the_goalie]

Yep, that's right. The goal is good.

[Snydes1987]

Ya that would be a goal, but I think anytime a player touches the puck with their hand it should be a hand pass but o well.

[Bryan]

Good goal, no controversy.

[Jaeger29]

Originally posted by BrickWall 33
Ya that would be a goal, but I think anytime a player touches the puck with their hand it should be a hand pass but o well.

Naah... If they touch the puck with their hand, and then play it with their stick, it's ok. The only time it's technically a 'hand pass' is when it intentionally goes from one player's hand to a team-mate. (And, remember, this IS allowed in the defensive zone.)

From Rule 59(e) in the NHL Rulebook:
(Notes are from NHL.com)

A player shall be permitted to stop or "bat" a puck in the air with his open hand, or push it along the ice with his hand, and the play shall not be stopped unless, in the opinion of the Referee, he has deliberately directed the puck to a teammate in any zone other than the defensive zone, in which case the play shall be stopped and the puck faced-off at the spot where the offense occurred. Play will not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defensive zone.

(NOTE) The object of this Rule is to ensure continuous action and the Referee should NOT stop play unless he is satisfied that the directing of the puck to a teammate was, in fact, DELIBERATE.

A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who bats the puck with his hand directly into the net. A goal cannot be scored by an attacking player who bats the puck and it is deflected into the net off any player or goalkeeper.

[sloth2946]

JAEGER29: No offense, but other than Keeks I don't think any of us here have ever stepped on the ice for an NHL game so the NHL rulebook is rather useless...maybe a USA Hockey or CHA rulebook would be a better source.

[Jaeger29]

Originally posted by sloth2946
JAEGER29: No offense, but other than Keeks I don't think any of us here have ever stepped on the ice for an NHL game so the NHL rulebook is rather useless...maybe a USA Hockey or CHA rulebook would be a better source.

geeez! okay, you asked for it:

USA Hockey Official Playing Rules 2001-2003
615.5: A player or goalkeeper shall be permitted to stop or 'bat' the puck in the air with his hand or push it along the ice with his hand and play shall not be stopped unless he has directed the puck to a teammate in any zone other than his Defending Zone, in which case play shall be stopped and the puck faced-off at the spot where the offense occurred unless otherwise provided by these rules.
(Note) No territorial ice advantage can be gained from a team illegally batting the puck with the hand.

A goal shall not be allowed if the puck was propelled by the hand of an attacking player and entered the goal either directly or after deflecting off any player including the goalkeeper

CHA Rulebook 2001-2002
61.(d): A player shall be permitted to stop or "bat" a puck in the air with her open hand, or to push it along the ice with her hand and play shall not be stopped, unless the player has directed the puck to a teammate in the neutral or attacking zone. When this occurs play shall be stopped and the puck faced-off at the spot where the offence occurred, unless the offending team gains a territorial advantage, then the face-off shall be where the stoppage of play occurred, unless otherwise covered in the rules. Play shall not be stopped for any hand pass by players in their own defending zone.
(e): A goal shall not be allowed if the puck has been batted with the hand or any part of the body by the attacking player into the net or, after being batted, the puck deflects off any player or stick into the net.

As the original post involved a "self-hand-pass" followed by a shot (not a deflection), under NHL, USA, or CHA rules, the goal would stand. And I don't want to hear from any IIHF supporters!