Net dislodged, whistle or no whistle?

[WERNER 1]

In our game last Tuesday night, the play was going around the back of the net on my stick side, and one of the opposition knocked the net back around 8 inches or so. Well my guys were running around like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off so I figure "cool, we need a stoppage in play"......then I remembered hearing somewhere that in roller they don't stop play unless the net is off more than a foot. So when I followed the play around the back of the net and was moving over to my glove side I "accidently" on purpose nailed the net pretty good and knocked it about two feet off on that side.

Well the ref was standing right there in the corner to my left (the side I just knocked off ) and started to come over, and I THOUGHT he was going to blow the whistle, but he didn't! So I'm like crap where's the friggin' whistle......and then.....where's the friggin' puck at??? It was on it's way from the point into the top stick side of the net! Needless to say I didn't make it over there in time, and they allowed the goal.

As the puck went into the net I looked back to see where the net was because the ref was still back there messing around with the net, and it was still off a foot or so!!!! I preceeded to throw a hissy fit which is very uncommon for me, but I was livid!! The ref totaly ignored me.

This all took place late in the third, and we WERE up 4-3. The game ended in a tie 4-4.

So what's the ruling on this???

Thanks,
Rick

[Bernie]

I have played where you play Werner and I have to say that most of refs there are among the worst you can find. They simply do not know the rules of hockey whatsoever. I have many a time had to correct them on where faceoffs should be and such.

In a tournament you almost certainly would have been called for a delay of game but you would have at least got your whistle. In most house leagues there isn't a written "rule" that 1 foot off and youy blow the whistle while less than 1 foot it stands. In roller hockey the net ALWAYS comes off the line- all the time. And those nets where you play weigh like 6 ounces so it's even worse. If they blew a whistle for every net movement in roller hockey you'd never get to play the game! It's the ref's discretion as to whether to blow the whistle or not. At my home rink we have real ice hockey weight nets so it's not as much a problem but even so-they won't blow the whistle ever if the puck is heading safely out of the zone. The ref will just fix the net. If the net comes off at a possible scoring chance they generally will see if the puck goes in before making a call in order to save the flow of the game. I.E. if a guy knocks the net off just as someone shoots, no harm done if the shot misses the net. Keep playing. If the puck goes in the net he may or may not call it a goal depending on who knocked the net over and with what degree of intent. If the goalie knocked the net off and it resulted in a goal you can bank 100% the goal will count.

Since there is no stoppage of the clock in roller hockey I am all for the laxer rules. You MUST keep the game flowing because otherwise you can easily spend 1/2 the game doing faceoffs.

[WERNER 1]

After the game I went up to the ref, and asked him why he didn't blow the whistle, he said: well it looked like to me that you knocked it off, I said: I would have rather taken my chances with us being short handed and getting the whistle instead of watching the puck go in the net when I think there's gonna be a whistle. He just looked at me with this blank look on his face.

This was actually at the "New" place in Ofallon: Way to play sports. ( The sport court rink) We no longer play at Hells Kitchen (Oak Hill ), at least not in the summer.........the new place has AC!!! WooHooo!!!

I had thought they said that the ref's were USA certified. Certifiably horrable!

I know it's my fault for "giving up" on the play, but still......!

Bernie- I had heard also that there was a couple of teams playing over here that came from All American.......You know anything about that?

Also the guy who's heading up the league is Dan Sable? Maybe used to work at AA???

Man AC is GREAT!!!!

[newgoalie]

There was a thread earlier about moving the net around so I asked both refs at my next game what they would do if the puck went in after I accidentally knocked the net back past the goal line when I tried to block the post with my skate. They said if they saw it and felt I did not do it intentionally, they would disallow it since it went in on the "wrong" side of the goal line. The same would follow if someone else (especially on the other team) knocked the net past it's "normal" place. I don't know what the "official" rule is on the subject though

[Aussie_Goalie]

Well over here wheneva the net gets knocked off it's pegs doesnt matter how far it is there's always a whistle.

*Aussie*

[nimbus906]

Well if the refs there are the worst than they must ref where I play as well because the refs here are horrendous either the call every little thing or absolutely nothing. As for net movement it all seems to depend on there mood. But usually the decision comes after the ball goes in.

[Numbski]

I still don't know why they don't mount the nets in the sport court the same way ice nets do. It's no more dangerous. Takes the same amount of force to knock it off on sport court as on ice.

So....what gives?

[G-Man]

Because when they want to use the surface for something else they can't just run the Zamboni over the Sport Court to fill in the holes .

[Numbski]

Um...plugs?

Come on, that's just being lazy. You can make a plug out of a sufficiently hard material (concrete even if you're dilligent enough) that would be of the correct dimensions to just drop in the holes.

Yes, people could pull them out.
Yes, maybe it wouldn't be as pretty.

Yes...all the goalies would love you.

Numbski

[GoalieRick]

It's not as easy to put pegs in for the goal posts as one would think.
For those rinks with wood or concrete playing surfaces you can just drill the holes and put the pegs in like ice.
For those rinks with a plastic playing surface (IceCourt, SportCourt, Spider Court, etc.) it's a more complicated situtation. As most roller hocky rinks do not maintain a constant temperature thoughout the year, the plastic floor will expand in the summer months and contract in the winter months. The IceCourt surface at my rink will expand lengthwise almost nine (9) inches from the winter to the summer. This means that the holes you drill through the floor into the concrete below are in different places relative to the floor throughout the year.
We came up with what we thought was a very innovative idea to hold the goals on our IceCourt surface. We welded short (1" high) rounded posts to sheet metal plates that lie between the concrete floor and the IcecCourt. The small posts protrude up through the IceCourt surface and the goal posts set on them.
Regardless of the temperature, the plates we made move around (float, if you will) as the floor expands and contracts. So far (approx. six months) it's been working great.

[WERNER 1]

Almost 9 inches length wise??? What keeps the flooring from buckleing up due to the pressure against the dasher boards??

If you cut holes in the flooring (sport court, Ice court....), and not the base (concrete, asphalt, wood...), and use regular ice hockey moorings ( Not the NHL style, but the ones that have the inverted cone shape on the bottom. ) This will give enough stability to hold the net in place durring "Normal" game play, and will breakaway easy enough to prevent injury due to non-movment.

[GoalieRick]

We have our boards raised on 3/4" steel blocks all the way around the rink. These steel blocks are notched to allow up to 11" of length-wise expansion of the IceCourt floor. As it gets warmer and the floor expands, it just slides under the dasherboards. This system has completely eliminated the problem of buckling floor tile at our rink.
A number of our goalies frequent this message board. They may want to weigh in on the subject and give you their opinion.