HELP! Promask 9000 vs Stacey mach 10

[DRE75HABS]

Yes, but is it wrong for him to tell the guy that a 10 year warranty and the custom options exist, and that he'll be saving $ and have peace of mind if something goes wrong on his $500+ investment? I don't think it is... but you clearly do.

NEver once has he said "Buy my mask", he's saying what he KNOWS are the pros and cons of the two masks.

[goblin]

In fact he misquoted the price of the promask, which is actually around $600 and cheaper than the Stacey. But that's all beside the point, I didn't really read his post that carefully, it was just a matter of principle.

[dancin'_mark]

Originally Posted by goblin

I don't even wear a Promask, I don't really like them.

Imagine if Scott Battram started writing in threads explaining to people that his pads PWN TEH VAUGHNS and are cheaper. He may be correct, but it's just not good ethic.

but FD didn't say that.

if Scott Battram said, it's cheaper to customize my pads and our wait times are better, than that's fine. he's saying facts, not putting down the other product. FD just said that his masks have a 10 year warranty and ProMask has a 1 year warranty, that's perfectly fine.

[Mike the Goalie]

lol admins please lock this thread if you would like i didnt know that even stacey himself would be offended by my previous posts. btw i have bought a itech 8000, 960, and have previously owned a sportmask and nxi phantom mask as well. i have also not stated i actually own your stacey mask. just for the record chaps

anyways if the mods would liek to continue this thread its ok. i am no longer considering a stacey from the comments he made in this thread and will no longer recommend his services (without regards to the quality of his masks) to any person/player/goalie i see at an arena.

However, i am still curious about the newest PROMASK 9000 Raptor mask. it looks very sharp to me in terms of visibility and fit. and by fit i mean stock. even some custom molded masks feel awkward =] my itech 8000 feels great after 2 chinstrap mods for example

as for warwick i dont really like the overall shape and features of the mask on a personal basis.

also, for this thread i have also heard some ppl talking about promask. i have never really investigated this company what is the website and what kind of models do they offer? thanks!

No disrespect to anyone, this is just an internet forum for people to find the info they need to further their goaltending / gear whore needs!

-Mike the Goalie

[cwarnar]

Too bad, I just got my Stacey. And am very happy with it. Stace may come off as rude but the man is passionate about his craft and produces a world class product and back it with a rock solid warranty and first rate customer service.

I would recommend Stace at the drop of a hat.

[bc30]

Whether or not one brand or another's stock mask fits mine or anyone else's mis-shapen head is immaterial - you have to put it on your head to decide if it fits.

[Faint]

Just because the guy is confident in his mask, you are not considering it anymore?
Some if not most people are too sensitive and too concerned about being "politically correct" or other people being politically correct. Its complete nonsense.

[finmin]

Originally Posted by DRE75HABS

Yes, but is it wrong for him to tell the guy that a 10 year warranty and the custom options exist, and that he'll be saving $ and have peace of mind if something goes wrong on his $500+ investment? I don't think it is... but you clearly do.

NEver once has he said "Buy my mask", he's saying what he KNOWS are the pros and cons of the two masks.

Have you ever heard of reading between the lines? He's basically lobbing his own product, wich, like goblin said is ethicly questionable...
I think FD should just let his customers talk for him... with all that lobbing he only gets a bad reputation, atleast in my eyes... Its like ******** but still different

[DRE75HABS]

Well when someone ASKS about the two, and the person who MAKES the friggin' masks answers questions, what more do you want? He never once said buy my mask, it's better, he simply stated the pros and cons.

Like it or not, he did nothing wrong, but I do see your point; it can be taken as an improper response, but only by those who are looking to bitch and whine, and not those really looking at what he said.

[finmin]

In no point of my post did I bitch or whine about anything... I just stated the fact that goblin isn't the only one who thinks lobbing your own product is wrong ethicly...
Also... what makes you such a fanboy of stacey? Other people have opinions too... didnt your mom teach you that?

[punisher]

just popping by to give my 2 cents,

I noticed that some people have trouble with the way Stace replies but yet those are not the people who had to deal with him when buying a mask.
Stace is one of those people who sells (read makes) you a mask that you need, he isn't polishing your balls and selling you a POS or a way to expensive mask.
He cares for his product, he cares for his customers,
but i would be pretty sarcastic too if i had to hear crap about my work all day long from people that didn't deal with me in person. (i'm not pointing fingers here, those who feel i insulted them should maybe ask themselfs why that is)


i got a major upgrade for free, because Stace had a hell of a hard time and my mask got pushed a bit back on delivery, yet he contacted me about it and told me so, it's not like i heard nothing for weeks. i told him that i didn't mind and that he should handle the important requests first. not so much time went by and he called me saying because he thought it was nice of me to wait politely and didn't nag every 2 hours about my mask, he' would make me a spacetech mach 10 in stead of the ordered mercury mach 10.
So before you say he wrecks his bussiness by replies like that, have a talk with him or anybody that ordered a STACEY. they will shed a different light on Stace as a person.

Pun.

[Damion]

A Interesting debate is on the go here.

personally I am very impressed whenever any MFG painter or anyone else that has direct knowledge about the fabrication or design of any product chimes in on the board. I am sure they know allot more about what works and why than the majority of us and the expanse of product Knowledge on the BB is what makes it great.

you have to balance this because you have to be wary about a persons opinion who stands to gain something by your decision. The issue of morality or ethics is the real issue here.

Either way I don't think that from this thread alone you can put him in the right or wrong but he is in the grey.

I have no personal experience with either of these masks but when I opened the thread I went to the links first before readin the rest and it did seem like kind of a no brainer to go with the Stacey.

You need to make the decision yourself because its your head and your money

So there is

1.Price.

2.Materials

3.Warranty.

4.Wait times.

5.Customer service history.

6.General shape and how much you like the look.

7. good old fashion gut feeling.

8. and last but not least FIT!!

These should all play varying parts in your decision each individual will place more or less emphasise on each factor.

If you are about to drop 1000 on a mask You should not be excluding one of your top choices because he took his time to point out the pros and cons as he sees them.

But mehh its your money.

[Flying Dutchman]

Originally Posted by Mike the Goalie

i have also not stated i actually own your stacey mask. just for the record chaps
-Mike the Goalie

How come your name DOESN'T appear in the order file??? The only one I know of that was sold second hand to another BB member was that of Dr. Hook's.

Nice try though and you're right you wont be buying a Stacey mask Having read your postings I would not take you serious.

[Flying Dutchman]

I do have a strong feeling TWO scandinavian injection moulding producers (or ONE and their agent) have a vested interest in this thread.

I stand corrected - I looked at the european price - the north american price is 30% lower making it 569.88 US$. Price difference - 155. 12 $ - guarantee difference 9 years <<<< quoted just for fun but true anyway.

[cuprajake]

if you dont want a stacey get a staytrix


in all fairness

there both non mainstream masks, so not a lot of people will have experiance with them.

i have had a franklin mask, an itech 4000 a stacey mercury mach 10 and now a stacey full kevlar custom.

the lightest is the stacey full kevlar but then thats also the most expensive lol

the warrenty with stacey is pretty much useless, even he will tell you this- as he has never had a kevlar mask break.

the trouble with threads like this is you get people like me chiming in saying staceys are the dogs danglies when i've never even seen or felt the other mask,

one thing i got told though was having a lip on the chin of the mask makes it stronger.

end of the day its your descicion(sp)

i can vouch for stacey's humor, and his work ethic-if you worked his hrs you'd be a bit grumpy and if you sniffed the stuff he uses you'd be a little more than crazy.

i also got an upgrade on my first mask, as i helped him with paints and sent him sample, most of which probably got conferscated by customs lol

another thing to consider is the cusom fit- is it custom foam fit or custom mask shell fit, i know stacey can now use computer to do the mold, so no more plaster casting your head, or the shipping time from that.

jake