Show off Your Butterfly

[Ian Himself]

Blocking butterfly.

Ignore the pucks in the net and the angle, I was just demoing my butterfly for a photo-op.

[#29]

I dont know if this thread is for suggestions..but Ian_himself, I think you should fix your stick positioning so that it is like Keek's example. I think it would be better to do that to deflect the puck.

[murtel]

Originally Posted by #29

I dont know if this thread is for suggestions..but Ian_himself, I think you should fix your stick positioning so that it is like Keek's example. I think it would be better to do that to deflect the puck.

Stick positioning, IMO, is all personal preference. I like to have the blade angled to deflect the puck into my body and into the corners. Others like to keep the blade perpendicular to the ice so that the blade stops the puck and they can pounce on it.

[Sprawl]

Originally Posted by murtel

Stick positioning, IMO, is all personal preference. I like to have the blade angled to deflect the puck into my body and into the corners. Others like to keep the blade perpendicular to the ice so that the blade stops the puck and they can pounce on it.

My preferential stick position is behind me along the goal line. Doesn't mean it's right

there is a reason why there is a better stick position than others and whats wrong or not.

In Ian's case, his body position and closed holes is more of a blocking body position ready for a gut high shot. It however seriously takes away low ice control by raising his stick like such.

a shot that is 11" or lower and destined for the bottom portion of the net would leave him in some trouble. his pads would be hit however the likely hood of serious rebound increases, as well his ability to steer or handle the puck should need be.

if it was a shot along those regions he should have his stick on the ice with as little "ramp" on it as possible. Ready to steer it to the corners or pull the puck into himself. Stick on the ice gives a lot more possibility for being in control of loose pucks and instead of just being a "wall" that they can keep hitting, you can actively control the puck.

So while Ian's position isn't wrong per say. Its a very limited position that doesn't exemplify a butterfly save

[murtel]

Sprawl, I'm not 100% sure what you're saying. What I understood from your post was that you find it harder to control shots into the corners with a ramped stick and that it is also difficult to direct shots with your pads. I'm not sure if this is what you are saying but butterflying with a ramped stick and directing shots with my pads is a huge part of my game and I do it with very little trouble if there is any trouble at all. I'm not saying that having your stick square to the puck is wrong but IMO, depending on your paddle length, you are opening up a hole under your blocker and above your pad while in the butterfly if you hold your stick like that.

So while Ian's position isn't wrong per say. Its a very limited position that doesn't exemplify a butterfly save

And finally, I don't see how Ian's stick is any more limited than one with a blade square to the puck. It looks like a fine butterfly to me.

[mitch]

I'm not even really sure what's going on here. I think the puck hit me in the chest but I didn't control the rebound. Critique away.

[Cujo_64]

your giggy fly is gone !! looks good man, you blocker is in good position, looks like you just twisted the stick.... nothing wrong with it... im sure if a shot was coming you would most likely have your stick flat to have the puck aim to your chest.


rob

Originally Posted by Ian Himself

Blocking butterfly.

Ignore the pucks in the net and the angle, I was just demoing my butterfly for a photo-op.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Cujo_64

your giggy fly is gone !! looks good man, you blocker is in good position, looks like you just twisted the stick.... nothing wrong with it... im sure if a shot was coming you would most likely have your stick flat to have the puck aim to your chest.


rob

If you are suggesting to have the puck ramp to your chest then that would be a bad move.

[Cujo_64]

might be a bad move, but it seems to work for a lot of goalies.


if its a in tight situation and the puck goes low on the ice and hits your stick and goes into your chest for a gutt trap, then better than giving the holes under your arms for a shooter to aim at.... no ?

rob

Originally Posted by Steven

If you are suggesting to have the puck ramp to your chest then that would be a bad move.

[Steven]

Deflect the puck to the corner would be the best option. Keeks had a thread on this topic. It's somewhere in the doctor on ice forum.

[Sprawl]

Originally Posted by murtel

Sprawl, I'm not 100% sure what you're saying. What I understood from your post was that you find it harder to control shots into the corners with a ramped stick and that it is also difficult to direct shots with your pads. I'm not sure if this is what you are saying but butterflying with a ramped stick and directing shots with my pads is a huge part of my game and I do it with very little trouble if there is any trouble at all. I'm not saying that having your stick square to the puck is wrong but IMO, depending on your paddle length, you are opening up a hole under your blocker and above your pad while in the butterfly if you hold your stick like that.


nd finally, I don't see how Ian's stick is any more limited than one with a blade square to the puck. It looks like a fine butterfly to me.

read steven's post

you can't deflect pucks into corners if your stick isnt on the ice to do it. the position of Ian's stick in his position effectively renders the stick useless. keeping it on the ice will allow him to use the stick for controllign rebounds, deflecting pucks.

In a butterfly, your save selection should be 1. stick, 2. pads. your stick should be used as much as possible and not be a passive item for blocking.

Ian's b-fly as shown in the photo would do very well against body shots and effectively closes up a the holes in his body. I wouldn't worry about very close in shots. however from any distance a good shooter will pop by his shoulders, and his pads will give up rebounds.

do not forget stickwork people. just as effective as a good butterfly IMHO

[Sprawl]

Originally Posted by Cujo_64

might be a bad move, but it seems to work for a lot of goalies.


if its a in tight situation and the puck goes low on the ice and hits your stick and goes into your chest for a gutt trap, then better than giving the holes under your arms for a shooter to aim at.... no ?

rob

this is not ideal. I would more recommend instead of using your stick as a ramp, Get active with your stick. at a more "6 iron" position, the shot should hit your stick and stay in front of you. then use your stick to pull in the puck to your pads and POUNCE on it.

this is a lot safer and mroe controlled than allowing a deflection into your gut which isn't a sure thing

[Cujo_64]

I wasnt recommending him do this, Im just saying that in the scenerios that this would happen,if his stick was flatter in front of him if could hit his chest and be used as a gut trap.... all im sayin.... this isnt the answer to all save selection here !

[Sprawl]

the important thing is to be reactive and ready for ANYTHING. locking yourself into one particular save is going to bite you and ya need to be in a good position ready to move move move!

[Cujo_64]

Originally Posted by Sprawl

the important thing is to be reactive and ready for ANYTHING. locking yourself into one particular save is going to bite you and ya need to be in a good position ready to move move move!

excactly i agree !