Originally Posted by Roddy Rod
I am not completely against what you are posting, like I said some of it is valid but from the outside looking in, you have to see how this appears. It seems that you get very heated when the topic of masks comes up and it honestly appears that you are trolling for Dom at every turn. I have seen Dom's masks, they are very solid and I would certainly consider owning one myself but in reality, the way you and a few others come off on the board, you are likely doing more damage than good for Dom's potential business by being so aggressive in the manner that you come off in.
If you hate the 960 and 9600, hate them, make your point and move on. It always seems to be the same BS with masks up here, everyone is well aware of your stance and people know it won't change and they get it. It is up to them to decide if they want to look for the flaws you have uncovered on these masks and make a judgment call for themselves. It is their money and their heads and if people have differing opinions on the product than you do, does that make it wrong? No, not at all, it is just their opinion and their choice.
I don't wear an Itech/Bauer mask, in fact, I don't even wear a mask that we stock. Why, because I found a mask maker that I like and trust and choose to use his lid because it works for me. If Dom's lid works for you, great, enjoy it, I am sure it will more than protect you and serve you well.
I'm actually not speaking for Dom in any form/function...I'm actually speaking for myself...I exist in a fashion that's entirely damaging to myself if...any way; at all.
That being said, Lord stated something that's absolutely false...The relationship between Bauer and Pro's Choice has changed and unfortunately, we live in a sport of re-branding...So, it's unlikely everyone will know other than an announcement of sorts.
In "defending" as you so put it, the Pro's Choice...The 961 must also be put into light as many pro's have lately been turned off by the poor quality.
Below, lord claims they're still made in Canada...Whether they are or aren't is of no consequence...They're worse now than they were under Itech and quality is considerably worse than it was before.
That being said, the RX9 is a very successful and popular pad as is the X60...Yes, the XR100 will stay as will the other line but, you're cutting a significant portion of popular inventory from the retail consumer.
It's bad business.
I'm not Goyer, Mr. Brown or anyone at Bauer but, considering the current state of manufacturing and the quality of goods; that would be a very good place to start.
Originally Posted by Lord of the Cage
All of the above is in response to what I origianlly said? Where is the correlation? Did you read correctly?
I know very well that Greg Goyer and Todd Brown are not custom molding masks. Where was that said or even hinted at?
Please let's talk about masks. The 960/961/9600/9601 are all being made in Canada, by the same company that made them for Itech as well as for Jerry Wright. There is no difference. Not sure why you think it is any different now that Bauer is the brand over Itech or Jerry Wright. Where's the logic?
Technically foam fitting is custom. Look up the definition of custom and you will see. There are different types of custom but at the end all custom means is made to order. That can be accomplished many ways.
Not sure why Pro's Choice would need to be defended. Who has said anything bad about him? If anything I would expect Pro's Choice to be glad Bauer bought Itech to gain better channels to put more guys in a custom mask.
It is a good move to make the masks overseas in the future. Hasn't happened yet, but I will love the day it does.
This puts into focus exactly why you had such a tough time getting a mask for yourself. It also shines a light on why you get hit in the head a lot. I think some self reflection would be extremely beneficial.
Please do not respond, I am not getting any deeper into this with you. I was told once by a friend to be careful with the battles you choose and this is one that truly isn't worth even what I have already written.
Lord of the Cage
I was correcting your misinformation. Bauer =/= Pro's Choice...Therefor rendering your entire argument before; inaccurate.
I also address multiple posts in each statement I make regardless of the post quoted so, I'm sorry if you felt the majority was aimed at you...it was a generalization.
Overseas does not =/= quality...It does = Profit.
Now; to me custom means...Custom. Made from ground 0, custom made for me.
For Bauer custom means: Taking an already crappy 961, shoving more foam in it and throwing it to said pro.
For Stacey (Even Stacey does this)//Pro's Choice: Takes a mold, makes a mask from scratch; fits it to your face...Throws it to said pro.
What's the difference? One is actually custom.
Now, my argument isn't necessarilly masks; I've worked/ordered done the retail gambit and have a great many friends that still do...My argument is aimed at Bauer in general.
The PM's I've already received pertaining to this issue and in particular your stance, Lord...Leave me to believe; you could do better than the personal attack above...but, unfortunately it seems to be all you're capable of.
To Mike, I'm not against Goaliemonkey or any relationship you have...What I'm against is the current quality of a product that everyone claims is amazing when...It's beyond sub-par...Even below the par of it's previous incarnations. I am glad you look for quality as I do and thank you.