Talk 'Wrasslin' with Chakal

[chakal]

Originally Posted by Hockeywall33

what ended up happening?

The show was AMAZING!!!!! It wasn't sold out, we have to create a new word, it was over sold-out. There was not a square inch open on the flour. There was people standing up all show long, there wasn't enough chairs, so people had to stay up, it was incredible.

What we did, we mixed 2 matches. I was supposed to wrestle the guy we want to be our next star and I was supposed to loose so he can say he's the new #1 contender and go in a feud vs our champion in a face vs face feud. (face or babyface = good guy, heel = bad guy)

So, we did a promo that sets up a 3 way, me wanting to fill in for the injured guy and the other wanting to face me. My opponent is named Jimmy Stone and the Champ, Don Paysan.

So, since the match was thrown away at the last minute, nobody would be surprise if our champ retains the belt, which he had to do. So we threw a MAJOR curve ball to the crowd. Match went really well, and at the end, I get throw out and the 2 faces go at it for the finisher. My original opponent gets caught up hanging down with his "broken" foot in the rope and the ref tries to unhook him. The champ backs up and turns around and BOOM, I threw powder to his eyes, I roll him up, both feet in the ropes ala Billy Graham vs Sammartino for the pinfall and the win for the belt!!!!! The people were SHOCKED!!!

So, the greatest part happens here, Jimmy Stone freed himself and try to tell the ref what happened while I'm celebrating with the belt but the ref refused the hear saying he saw nothing, he counted 3 and it's OVER: new champ.

So, then, the founders of the nCw, the real ones and around 20 retired nCw wrestlers (who were all in the crowd for the entire show, in the same section) jumped over the guard rails and one took the mic saying, "Chakal, that was BULL****! We founded the nCw to entertain those great fans here tonight, we made ChallengeMania to present, year after year the biggest show of Quebec Indy wrestling. For US, that belt is FOR REAL! For those people here, for tonight, it's real!!! We just can't accept the BS your feeding us!!! WE just can let it happen, we worked too hard, sacrificed too much to eat that BS! Mr Ref, 8 years ago, I took you from the crowd and put you in your position, before being a ref, a nCw staff member you were a fan, just like everybody here, and for you, it was also real!!! Ask every single person here what happened and what you should do!"

Then the ref looked at the crowd, and people were completely nuts and they were all screaming and trying to convince the ref to do the right thing! When, everything was at it's climax, I went in the middle, I shoved the ref, lift the belt in the air and said "No matter what, you can all just shut your mouth because I AM THE CHAMP!" Then the ref went nuts and literally took off the belt off my hand and yelled to have the bell ring again for the match to continue. When the announcer called the match to continue, the roof almost exploded. I was MAD and turned around and get the **** kick out of me by both faces and got thrown out! The 2 faces went for and Stone put his finisher on Paysan but the leg "broke" so he wasn't able to crawl the last 2 feet to get the cover and the win. The veterans were getting him out of the ring, I came back in went for my finisher but got reverse, Paysan pulled his set up moves and I'm down, he does the HBK nip up. and he's there standing, with the veterans tapping on the ring the fans were all crazy everybody was screaming n-c-w, n-c-w, n-c-w, n-c-w. I got slowly back up and BANG! Paysan's finisher for the win. That building never have been so loud! Then everybody went into the ring to celebrate.

I still have goosebumps. The nCw is 20 years old, still active, no wrestling promotion except for the WWE is older than us in North America. So having the veterans involved, is always something special, even if most of the crowd don't know them, it gives a special feeling.

I think it was the most effective finish in ChallengeMania History and guys in the locker room congratulated me for writing it. Some were hesitant, not thinking it would work, but they presented their excuses to me after the show! LOL

Our champion is now more "over" (over = popular for a face, over = hated for a heel) than ever and the people left the show with the feeling they made their favorite guy win. You know, the feeling of having written the show, being part of it.

Also, the veterans were happy to be involved once more in the show, to have participate to it in front of a sold out crowd. Most of them (Me included, I'm there for 11 years) have build this wrestling promotion, they wrestled more than often in front of 6 people plus their girlfriends. So seeing what we did with the company is great for them, but being able to be involved in such a successful show, in the main event.... I think it's a big thank you from the present staff to them.

I'll have some pictures soon.

Ring promo:

Intros:


Almost finished:


On those pictures, you can't raelly see the crowd but I hope to get some pictures soon. You see a bit of the crowd, a bit of our technique booth (for videos and music),

[ScJeff]

ONe question;
How is one chosen for "goldberg"ish run? Goldberg had what a few hundred matches un defeated? Did he just know people, was he that good a wrester to be deserving of it? Always wondered that.

[chakal]

Originally Posted by ScJeff

ONe question;
How is one chosen for "goldberg"ish run? Goldberg had what a few hundred matches un defeated? Did he just know people, was he that good a wrester to be deserving of it? Always wondered that.

OK, WCW wanted someone to compete with Steve Austin for the ratings, so they needed someone. They decided to go with a destroyer, so they made a casting and since Goldberg had some physical similarities with Austin, they took him to play that role. Also, Goldberg just can't work a match, so beating people in a squash was easy for him. They gave him a Austin mixed with Shamrock gimmick because both were hot back then.

I have to admit he did a good job doing it, but he had no dept and it shows when he went with the WWE. Austin was a tremendous wrestler, one of the best. His character was demanding more brawling, but when wrestling was necessary, he did a GREAT job.

Well, Goldberg played the character pretty well, he was marketed really well too, the only good marketing WCW did (for many reasons, even if they were really popular, the NWO was a failure). That worked and Goldberg made millions out of it. Great gimmick, great marketing, great run but since the wrestler has no wrestling dept, once the hype is gone, you're out. That was the difference between Goldberg and Austin, and even The Rock. The Rock and Austin were great wrestlers, so when the hype was gone, they were able to back it up with in-ring talent to stay on top forever.

Does it answer your question?

[ScJeff]

Yah. So it can be a mix of talent/timing/look/image/knowing people is what ive gotten from this thread so far... but alot more knowing people.

When are your house shows? My sis is in montreal if im out sometime ill try and catch a show.

[chakal]

Originally Posted by ScJeff

Yah. So it can be a mix of talent/timing/look/image/knowing people is what ive gotten from this thread so far... but alot more knowing people.

When are your house shows? My sis is in montreal if im out sometime ill try and catch a show.

The dates are all on the website:
Les Promotions nCw Inc!

In the middle under the pictures.

Yes, it as a lot to do with who you know since there's no talent scout. The only way to get known by promoters is to have somebody that talks to them about you. So, being a good PR guy helps, selling yourself, that's so important backstage.

[snova031]

Originally Posted by chakal

OK, WCW wanted someone to compete with Steve Austin for the ratings, so they needed someone. They decided to go with a destroyer, so they made a casting and since Goldberg had some physical similarities with Austin, they took him to play that role. Also, Goldberg just can't work a match, so beating people in a squash was easy for him. They gave him a Austin mixed with Shamrock gimmick because both were hot back then.

I have to admit he did a good job doing it, but he had no dept and it shows when he went with the WWE. Austin was a tremendous wrestler, one of the best. His character was demanding more brawling, but when wrestling was necessary, he did a GREAT job.

Well, Goldberg played the character pretty well, he was marketed really well too, the only good marketing WCW did (for many reasons, even if they were really popular, the NWO was a failure). That worked and Goldberg made millions out of it. Great gimmick, great marketing, great run but since the wrestler has no wrestling dept, once the hype is gone, you're out. That was the difference between Goldberg and Austin, and even The Rock. The Rock and Austin were great wrestlers, so when the hype was gone, they were able to back it up with in-ring talent to stay on top forever.

Does it answer your question?

Did you ever see that match with Goldberg vs. Regal? Regal was supposed to let Goldberg get the squash, but Regal started shoot wrestling him...it was funny.

[chakal]

Originally Posted by snova031

Did you ever see that match with Goldberg vs. Regal? Regal was supposed to let Goldberg get the squash, but Regal started shoot wrestling him...it was funny.

It may be on youtube, Regal got fired as soon as he went back to the locker room. That's the thing with old school wrestlers, you need to be able to defend yourself in the ring, Austin, Rock and especially Bret Hart were able to avoid this kind of treatment in the ring, they knew what they were doing.

Do you think, back in the Mid 80's, nobody tried to make a name for themselves by trying to shoot (shoot = wrestle for real or hit for heal, hurt for real in the ring) Ric Flair? That guy can defend himself and Arn Anderson was traveling with him just in case.

Remember that jobber who tried to shoot on Saturn during Heat or RAW? What happened? That jobber almost ended up at the hospital, Saturn went on him too hard and almost got fired but you see the point?

A good comparison point for Goldberg would be Lesnar. Lesnar was a GREAT wrestler and he would have been as way bigger than Goldberg, but Lesnar was suffering too much from the busy schedule and traveling. But Bob Holy tried to shoot on Lesnar during SMACKDOWN! AND HE GOT DESTROYED!!!! Believe me, Holy is a tough SOB, but Lesnar broke him like if Holy was a little girl.

I may sound like if I was a Goldberg basher, I'm not, I was enjoying Goldberg, the chartacter was great, but he had limitions, HUGE limitation when you want to be a top star. Plus, in real life, he was a major prick in the locker room (but very nice with the fans).

Hogan was another one who couldn't defend himself in the ring, but he was on the WWF and was protected by the ownership and he was an awesome politician so he was able to avoid the shooting. At WrestleMania VII (I think), Sid got fired the day before but still had to do the show vs Hogan... Hogan was able to talk his way out of a major shoot, but Sid still kicked out of the Big Leg Drop!!! Sid got disqualified for it!?!?! He got disqualified for kicking out of Hogan's finisher! LOL

But Hogan avoided a shoot before the match by talking with Sid like the good politician he is. Rick "the Model" Martel (a close Hogan's friend) told me about it one time.

[grimjake1]

Speaking of Lesner. The match he had with Goldberg Wrestlemania XX sucked. I was there, complete waste of time. I believe it was both of there last matches. They could of had an epic battle but it looked like they didnt even want to be there.

[chakal]

Originally Posted by grimjake1

Speaking of Lesner. The match he had with Goldberg Wrestlemania XX sucked. I was there, complete waste of time. I believe it was both of there last matches. They could of had an epic battle but it looked like they didnt even want to be there.

Lesnar was still green, he was Great, but needed an oponent to direct him during the match and before, during the planning. That's why he had great matches with Angle and all others, but Goldberg just can't do that. That what happens when you oppose two "followers" in the ring. That's things bookers must consider when they match-up guys. 2 learders will work great, but 2 "followers" it will surely suck.

[MURCIELAGO R-GT]

the Dr. that was involved in prescibing Chris Benoit 10 month supplys of steroids has been charged with 127 counts. I don't know the specifics of the charges.

[jase]

Originally Posted by chakal

Lesnar was still green, he was Great, but needed an oponent to direct him during the match and before, during the planning. That's why he had great matches with Angle and all others, but Goldberg just can't do that. That what happens when you oppose two "followers" in the ring. That's things bookers must consider when they match-up guys. @ learders will work great, but 2 "followers" it will surely suck.

idunno.. Warrior vs Hogan at WM3 was pretty good... most likely a fluke but still, it was captivating and exciting as hell.

[ScJeff]

are your shows in french? French sucks=P haha.

[chakal]

Originally Posted by jase

idunno.. Warrior vs Hogan at WM3 was pretty good... most likely a fluke but still, it was captivating and exciting as hell.

It was WrestleMania 6 in Toronto and not 3 in Detroit. WM3 was Andre vs Hogan.

The whole Warrior vs Hogan match sucks (technical wrestling-wise) and the finish is so lame, but the whole match is carried by the power of those 2 characters and charisma.

[jase]

Originally Posted by chakal

It was WrestleMania 6 in Toronto and not 3 in Detroit. WM3 was Andre vs Hogan.

The whole Warrior vs Hogan match sucks (technical wrestling-wise) and the finish is so lame, but the whole match is carried by the power of those 2 characters and charisma.

Maybe i just suck at critiquing good quality wrestling, but there are only 3 matches that i can remember vividly that stick out, 1 warrior vs hogan at wm6, 2 michaels vs ramon (their first ladder match), and 3 michaels vs hart ironman match... everything else is just a blur.... then again I only really watched pro wrestling from 94-01 and have since tailed off considerably ever since wcw was gobbled up by wwe

i guess the only other match would be hart vs austin where austin refused to tap out to the sharpshooter.. that one stuck with me too

[Bryan]

Goldberg will forever be painted by the squash gimmick he was given. WWE only made this worse due to Vince's insistence on making anyone brought in from WCW look as bad as possible.

Thing is, he was a lot better than just about anyone gave him credit for. The reason he got such a huge push so fast was the people at the Power Plant (WCW's training center) said that he was the best prospect they had ever seen. He was a phenomenal natural talent, just without any experience.

Man I miss those WCW glory days. Nothing WWF/WWE has ever done even comes close to what Bischoff had built before the Warner executives started interfering in everything.