It's Beginning to Look a lot Like...pc holidays

[Goaliedad]

My intent is humor.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by CKeelty

If some municipality does as O'Reilly suggests, and includes a menorah or a Kwanzaa display merely as a pass to allow them to erect their Christian nativity scene, that intent may be used to rule the display unconstitutional.

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due, in the original story, a town in Colorado (I'm thinking Boulder, but I may be wrong on that), was banning all Christmas decorations, to include Santas and colored lights (racist? ), and only allowing "winter" decorations. Snowflakes, white lights, ect.

The decision was made after a rabbi had asked for a menorah to be included with the town's Christmas display. Powers that be decided to eliminate all holiday specific decorations. O'Reilly was just stating that the common sense solution was to allow the Christmas decorations, the menorah, and any other group's decorations which would be appropriate for the season.

Conservatives aren't trying to create divisiveness, we're simply trying to hold on to the rich cultural heritage of America, and even the West as a whole, which includes Judeo-Christian traditions. That's not establishment. That's not the President standing up and establishing the Episcopal Faith as State Religion. God or no God, it's just part of our heritage.

[CKeelty]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

I don't think you're giving credit where credit is due, in the original story, a town in Colorado (I'm thinking Boulder, but I may be wrong on that), was banning all Christmas decorations, to include Santas and colored lights (racist? ), and only allowing "winter" decorations. Snowflakes, white lights, ect.

The decision was made after a rabbi had asked for a menorah to be included with the town's Christmas display. Powers that be decided to eliminate all holiday specific decorations. O'Reilly was just stating that the common sense solution was to allow the Christmas decorations, the menorah, and any other group's decorations which would be appropriate for the season.

I was speaking more generally, as I'm not familiar with this specific case. Assuming it happened the way you say here, then Bill and I (and you, RyJ) agree. They should have allowed decorations related to specific holidays, provided that they were displayed without bias. My guess is the government was trying to play it safe, figuring they couldn't get in trouble if they didn't put anything up. They're not violating the Constitution, but if their constituents want Christmas/Hannukah/whatever decorations, then they're failing their community.

Conservatives aren't trying to create divisiveness, we're simply trying to hold on to the rich cultural heritage of America, and even the West as a whole, which includes Judeo-Christian traditions. That's not establishment. That's not the President standing up and establishing the Episcopal Faith as State Religion. God or no God, it's just part of our heritage.

You're absolutely right. The heritage and culture of the VAST majority of Americans, and most residents of the Western world, are steeped in Judeo-Christian tradition. Culture and heritage are something that I do believe people should be proud of, and that they should celebrate. I do believe the line should ONLY be drawn when it crosses into government endorsement (intended OR implied) and also that the line should be carefully defined to allow individuals the maximum freedom of expression.

I honestly wish that the public in general had a better understanding of what constitutes private expression. Americans on average seem to have a very poor understanding of their rights - they either think they have none, or they think their rights extend into dictating to others. If we could just find that happy medium, this country would be in much better shape - though, I might be out of a job.

[rbrownie]

A school in Winchester MA just canceled a class trip to see the Miracle on 34th Street because 1 parent complained it was based too much on SANTA....

I hate Massachusetts........

2 boy scouts were rasing money for the troops and 2 people complained that it was "pro-war"....They got shut down...

I hate Massachusetts........

[Goaliedad]

I'm sueing the state of Assachusetts because my license plate says "Spirit of America". I believe this to be libel. I think the plate should say "Fools Paradise".

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by rbrownie

A school in Winchester MA just canceled a class trip to see the Miracle on 34th Street because 1 parent complained it was based too much on SANTA....

I hate Massachusetts........

2 boy scouts were rasing money for the troops and 2 people complained that it was "pro-war"....They got shut down...

I hate Massachusetts........

Why can't people not complain and simply, if they do not agree with it, not allow their kids to participate in it....or....get this.....LET their kids participate in this and develop an intelligence upon a subject that their parents might well hide them from?

Imagine that.

[goalieworld35]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

Why can't people not complain and simply, if they do not agree with it, not allow their kids to participate in it....or....get this.....LET their kids participate in this and develop an intelligence upon a subject that their parents might well hide them from?

Imagine that.

Are you kidding, that would be too easy to comprehend for moronic parents.

[wortchillergoal]

I got a kick out of the conversation i heard last Halloween between two Muslim fathers. They were talking about having to go through their kids' candy to make sure it met their dietary needs.

They were also complaining that the holiday season was coming and that they would have to look at all the Christmas decorations. They find them offensive. They got mad at me when I asked how they could complain about that when their children were benefiting from a tradition linked to a Christian holiday. Seems to me you can't have it both ways.

[Sprawl]

halloween is pagan


wayto know your stuff

[shutout35]

Originally Posted by Sprawl

halloween is pagan


wayto know your stuff

Halloween = All Hallows Eve = Night before All Saints Day = Christian

Halloween to Christian in just 2 steps!

[Sprawl]

yes, and for some reason Christmas has christmas lights.

Funy.

"festival of lights" = Chanuka = jewish.

same season. funny how it's a "christmas" thing now


I agree with a LITTLE bit of the politically correctness in some sitautions.

I was a jewish kid. and you know what, having a "CHRISTMAS" party at school did make me feel ostricized. everyone talking about the presents they got and what they did with their tree's and santa and what not. And the school putting up santa's up and christmas ornaments.

1/3 of the school was jewish.

however. a "HOLIDAY" party in which every religion who wants to be represented is more than fine with me

[shutout35]

Originally Posted by Sprawl

yes, and for some reason Christmas has christmas lights.

Funy.

You were saying it's a Pagan holiday. I was just saying that Halloween is the Christian eve before "All Hallows Day" (All Saints' Day), which is the day before All Souls' Day.

I'm not arguing with you. It's just that 12+ years of Catholic education allows me to know the origins behind most Christian/Catholic holidays.

(and yes, I know that the pagans celebrated A holiday on October 31, or that time of year, but Halloween is taken from "All Hallows' Eve", which is a Catholic/Christian thing.)

[Quart of Beer]

Last November I went backpacking with my wife in Thailand. We ended up on an island down by the Malaysian border and one day on our local beach got to talking to two Thai teachers (Buddhists) from a neighboring village. Upon hearing we were from Canada, they expressed a keen desire to one day be able to see snow and go for a sleigh ride etc. They told me every year they put together their version of a pine tree with pretty lights, tinsel and fake frosting and sing Christmas carols in the classroom. Then to show their ability, they start singing all the songs they know. I helped them phonetically as best I could and before you know, about four or five local kids (all Muslims), gathered round and joined in.
Imagine me (with a head full of beer Chang and Mekong whiskey, the local rocket fuel) and about ten people from different worlds and religions, singing Here Comes Santa Claus, Silent Night, and Good King Wenceslas (that's a tough one in Thai) at the top of our lungs on a gorgeous sweaty 95 degree sunny tropical day. From the mouths of innocence.....

[jambon20]

Originally Posted by shutout35

You were saying it's a Pagan holiday. I was just saying that Halloween is the Christian eve before "All Hallows Day" (All Saints' Day), which is the day before All Souls' Day.

I'm not arguing with you. It's just that 12+ years of Catholic education allows me to know the origins behind most Christian/Catholic holidays.

(and yes, I know that the pagans celebrated A holiday on October 31, or that time of year, but Halloween is taken from "All Hallows' Eve", which is a Catholic/Christian thing.)

Aren't most Christian holidays in some fashion related to Pagan ones?

... or has Robert Langdon been lying to me?

[LukePhillips]

Santas warned 'ho ho ho' offensive to women - Yahoo! News

Australian Santa's told not to say ho-ho-ho because some 4 year old might happen to know it could be derived as a negative comment towards his mother who is a prostitute. Damn those Aussie kids are smart!