Liberal in AZ. admits he was wrong!

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

While I feel no guilt over the white man coming to this continent, I suppose you also deny the Holocaust because it is estimated that between 15-30 million native americans inhabited this nation before the white man came from Europe.

Today I believe there are around 3 million.

Do the math.

[Foxton]

Can I get an apology too, i'm like 1/32 canadian indian.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Foxton

Can I get an apology too, i'm like 1/32 canadian indian.

I'm 1/24th Jew, it wasn't good enough for the IDF application.

[Foxton]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

I'm 1/24th Jew, it wasn't good enough for the IDF application.

International Dehydrated Foods?

[azdave]

wow this thread take a wrong turn.

Anyways Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by azdave

Going into a recession?? Hell we are already there. No one has the balls to come out and say it. Foreclosures, job loss, earnings down, etc: the market has been acting as if we are at the start of a recession. Thanks to George and his boys we have pissed away a surplus, piled up a huge debt, started a war that has no end in sight but it seems to some Republicans that sending 1.4 billion to Mexico is a good idea because No hope for those folks.

What are you talking about? unemployment rates past 16 years:

1990 5.6
1991 6.8
1992 7.5
1993 6.9
1994 6.1
1995 5.6
1996 5.4
1997 4.9
1998 4.5
1999 4.2
2000 4.0
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6


We have swells and are currently at about 4.4 unemployment rate.

source:Bureau of Labor Statistics Home Page

Earnings down? Where? Depends on the industry you chose to single out but in general our dow and stocks are at some all times high. Are some industries hurting right now? Sure but that is ALWAYS the case. It is a rotating wheel of pain to different industries at different times. Hell even Ford is slowly turning things around.....

Foreclosures. Now if you are going to bring that term to a gun fight then at least look into the wads and wads of documentation about the current foreclosure rates. Most of it is currently due to people overextending their lines of credit in general, interest only mortgages, variable APR, and yes some due to job loss.

All of those except for job loss is that person's fault. Overextend yourself......well you shouldn't have bought that house or new car or had the kid ect. interest only loan or variable APR. Well you should have refinanced when the rates started to get to your limit and paid the refi costs. Couldn't afford them? Well then shame on you for not thinking ahead.




It continues to crack me up that you call others sheep. Kettle......Pot.....

[azdave]

Black?


The comment was made that the foreclosures are due to stupid people with interest only loans. That is not the case. Incomes in the mid to lower middle class have stagnated at best. Considering fuel and utility costs have gone through the roof. Food pricing has also gone up as have many other items necessary for a middle class life style. So even if they are still employed, health care cost, utilities, fuel, insurance and food are taking a bigger chunk of their pay. Thus the foreclosures. Stupid aren't they that they didn't take their Bush tax cut and invest it properly.

BAAAAAAAH!

[RyJ Maduro]

Why is sheep such an insult? They're cuddly and adorable.

I think calling someone a massive douche stings more, frankly.

[Kael]

Originally Posted by soulpatch

What are you talking about? unemployment rates past 16 years:

1990 5.6
1991 6.8
1992 7.5
1993 6.9
1994 6.1
1995 5.6
1996 5.4
1997 4.9
1998 4.5
1999 4.2
2000 4.0
2001 4.7
2002 5.8
2003 6.0
2004 5.5
2005 5.1
2006 4.6

*Lumbergh* Can you go ahead and put that in a chart for us, that would greeeaaaaat. */Lumbergh*

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by azdave

Black?


The comment was made that the foreclosures are due to stupid people with interest only loans. That is not the case. Incomes in the mid to lower middle class have stagnated at best. Considering fuel and utility costs have gone through the roof. Food pricing has also gone up as have many other items necessary for a middle class life style. So even if they are still employed, health care cost, utilities, fuel, insurance and food are taking a bigger chunk of their pay. Thus the foreclosures. Stupid aren't they that they didn't take their Bush tax cut and invest it properly.

BAAAAAAAH!

Utilities have barely raised. And yes they are stupid that they bought a house that they could not afford the simple increases in items. If you buy things within your means but that is the limit then shame on your for not having spare funds to cover unexpected increases. just like I have no sorrow for those that have a Hummer and complain about gas.

Outside of gas what has really jumped that much? I live a middle class lifestyle. My car payments are less now since dealerships bend over backwards to get you. My food bill is perhaps 20 more a month but that is more or less since I eat steaks more. My utility bills have actually decreased per kilowatt hour switching to another carrier

I can not nor will I speak of healthcare costs as I do not pay and we have had that fight before.

insurance. What insurance are you talking about? Car, home, ect? Last I read average car and home insurance rates are dropping as there has been more competition amongst carriers. I pay 2000 a year for my home, car, motorcycle

[azdave]

Lets see, electric utilities have gone up 23% in the last 2 years. Cable and phone on average of 17%. Gas to heat your home is up around 20% in the last 2 years depending upon where you live. Heating oil is up around 50% in the last 2 years. A head of iceberg lettuce 79 cents 2 years ago is now $1.39. Gasoline under $2 per gallon two years ago and now $3.20 per gallon. Yep I know not of what I speak. Foreclosures are all due to stupid people taking out interest only loans and overspending Incomes for the middle class have not risen in 3 years and in many cases have actually gone down, factor in inflations and there my friend is the reason for many. See I said many not ALL foreclosures.


Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. Touch base with me in a few months once gas hits $4 a gallon and we can chat again.

Back to the original thread, seems like the 1.4 billion is a bargain for all the border protection the Mexican gov. will give us.

[biguglygoalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Why is sheep such an insult? They're cuddly and adorable.

I think calling someone a massive douche stings more, frankly.