The economy

[Steve L]

Originally Posted by Flagg3139

If your going to cut and paste something at least put it in quotes or cite a source for it.

Remember, if you can't argue the points made, argue the delivery!!

[cdnredraider]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

Dont forgett theese:

Violating U.S. law and the Constitution through widespread wiretapping of the phone calls and emails of Americans without a warrant.

Congress authorized so not in Violation of U.S. Law. Also check the latest Supreme Court ruling

Freedom of speech has been limited by the Patriot act

Again, passed by Congress and upheld by Supreme Court.

Violating U.S. and international law by authorizing the torture of thousands of captives, resulting in dozens of deaths, and keeping prisoners hidden from the International Committee of the Red Cross.

Can you give some proof of this. No, a single journalist saying it is not sufficient.

Violating the Constitution by arbitrarily detaining Americans, legal residents, and non-Americans, without due process, without charge, and without access to counsel.

What American's were 'arbitrarily detained'? Shooting at us in Afghanistan is not arbitrary detainment.

Violating U.S. and state law by obstructing honest elections in 2000, 2002, 2004, and 2006.

Just because you don't like who won does not mean he cheated. How about the Democratic voters in Seattle? Tens of thousands of dead people voted there to barely defeat a Republican. Also, Republican's lost both the House and Senate in 2006. How did GWB obstruct honest elections there?

exposing the identity of a covert CIA operative working on sensitive WMD proliferation for political retribution.

Joe Wilson's wife was NOT a covert agent and her employment at the CIA was already well known (daughter telling people that mommy works at the CIA doesn't help). Also, he(already had stated his views on things) was chosen due to his wife's influence. It was political before he ever got there.

To support this monkey is pretty much the most anti-American you can do.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by mikey_j

It's amazing.

I think that George Bush is about as incompetent as they come.

But, I don't think that this economic mess is his fault.

Borrowers were negligent in understanding the sub-prime loans that they were taking out.

Lenders and brokers were negligent in doing their homework, to make sure that the borrowers could pay back those loans (yes, it is the lender's fault if they don't do a thorough background check; you just don't hand over several hundred-thousand dollars to a stranger).

The Fed Bank encouraged this with ridiculously low interest rates.

At most, Bush and Congress might have encouraged it as well. Setting an example by running up monstrous deficits with little heed to how it's going to get paid for. If the government treats money like toilet paper, the population will treat it like toilet paper.

Couldn't agree with this post any more. Seriously... It isn't Bush's fault. But what I do despise is the bailouts that have been put forth. Nothing like rewarding people for their own stupidity.

This sort of stuff is the economic version of Darwin's theory of natural selection and as far as I am concerned if you make a stupid loan and the person paying it back defaults...you were stupid by not properly managing your risk. And if you were stupid enough to take an adjustable rate loan and thinking that interest rates would continue to drop...well then you're a fool. See PT Barnum for fools and their money.

But as stated in the homeowner thread....other people's loss is my gain. I take no pride in it. It is sad to see a family displaced, but they can't afford it, I can and I need it. So in about 15 minutes my engineer will tell me if I am making a sound investment or not!

[mikey_j]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

Couldn't agree with this post any more. Seriously... It isn't Bush's fault. But what I do despise is the bailouts that have been put forth. Nothing like rewarding people for their own stupidity.

This sort of stuff is the economic version of Darwin's theory of natural selection and as far as I am concerned if you make a stupid loan and the person paying it back defaults...you were stupid by not properly managing your risk. And if you were stupid enough to take an adjustable rate loan and thinking that interest rates would continue to drop...well then you're a fool. See PT Barnum for fools and their money.

But as stated in the homeowner thread....other people's loss is my gain. I take no pride in it. It is sad to see a family displaced, but they can't afford it, I can and I need it. So in about 15 minutes my engineer will tell me if I am making a sound investment or not!

Yup. And I agree that this bailout is nothing but a political ploy. Because the electorate needs to see something being done, especially in an election year.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

All first person accounts of war that I have ever read/spoken to would agree with you.

And this is why RyJ loves it so much. Because he will never hear the sounds of a shot in anger.

Funny, if a Republican college student supports the war, he's a chickenhawk.

If said Republican military-aged-male joins the Army, and is anything less than an Airborne Ranger, he's just a REMF.

And for the record, worst president ever is Carter. Hands down.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Steve L

Remember, if you can't argue the points made, argue the delivery!!

The original post was from Swede. 'Nough said.

[Swedish goalie]

Sorry to forgett to quote. I thought it was obvius I quoted it since the grammer in the thext was right

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

The original post was from Swede. 'Nough said.

LOL that comes frome someone that supports Bush that has totally destroyed your country. It seems that you like incompetence.

[Flagg3139]

Originally Posted by Steve L

Remember, if you can't argue the points made, argue the delivery!!

I'm not arguing anything. I made the comment because it was obvious it didn't come from him, I just wanted to see where it originated from.

Don't jump to conclusions and start assuming you know where people stand just because they would like to see a source for someone elses post.

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Funny, if a Republican college student supports the war, he's a chickenhawk.

If said Republican military-aged-male joins the Army, and is anything less than an Airborne Ranger, he's just a REMF.

I would have called you a "pogue" instead of a REMF!!

For the non military types: Pogue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

LOL that comes frome someone that supports Bush that has totally destroyed your country. It seems that you like incompetence.

How can Bush be incompetent if he managed to cover up the fact he was behind 9/11?

Nailed ya.

[Stryker908]

Originally Posted by mikey_j

Yup. And I agree that this bailout is nothing but a political ploy. Because the electorate needs to see something being done, especially in an election year.

I think its more a matter of things that happened to fall under his watch...

Sure 911 was planned YEARS in advance

and Katrina could have happened to any president,

and yeah the housing market bubble did have to do with shady lending tactics

but I mean come on how many of these do you need to see before there is a common thread... ?

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

How can Bush be incompetent if he managed to cover up the fact he was behind 9/11?

Nailed ya.

WTF I have never ever stated that Bush was behind terrible acts of 9/11. I have said that 9/11 commission is a joke which its clearly is, the whole truth truth about 9/11 is not avaible for the public. But just because its a cover up doesnt proove Bush adm was behind it.

RyJ why dont you get it that Bush is a total disaster and makes USA looks like fascists? Almost everyone else in your country have had enough of his lies and incompetence.

[PSULion22]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

WTF I have never ever stated that Bush was behind terrible acts of 9/11. I have said that 9/11 commission is a joke which its clearly is, the whole truth truth about 9/11 is not avaible for the public. But just because its a cover up doesnt proove Bush adm was behind it.

So the 9/11 Commission is covering it up? What reason would they have to do that?

[cdnredraider]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

Almost everyone else in your country have had enough of his lies and incompetence.

Just keep in mind the the Democratic House and Senate have approval ratings less than half of Bush's

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Flagg3139

I would have called you a "pogue" instead of a REMF!!

For the non military types: Pogue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I prefer the term "Force-Multiplier."

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by PSULion22

So the 9/11 Commission is covering it up? What reason would they have to do that?

I dont know ofcourse but I can speculate. It would proof how voulnereble(sp) USA was for big scale terrorist attacks and other terrorists group could get this message and plan more and maybe even bigger attacks on US soil. Just look how easy it is to cross the American border. I can only speculate on this subject ofcourse.

Originally Posted by cdnredraider

Just keep in mind the the Democratic House and Senate have approval ratings less than half of Bush's

Dont come here and say he is popular Even if he nuked Canada some people would support him.


Sorry to hijack the thread as I do to much