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[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by azdave

Ryj, no matter how much I disagree with you I do appreciate your service to our country and I doubt anyone really can question your courage.

Understood Dave, despite our back and forths, the respect is mutual.

Have you converted over to Huckabee yet, because I have to think there is no way in hell you can be a McCain fan. Might be wrong but I don't think so.

I'm definately not a McCain fan, but I'll grudgingly supporting him. While I disagree with him on a lot of issues (mostly his record more than his rhetoric), he's strong on foreign policy and that's all that really matters to me in the long run. That and beating the dems.

Limbaugh and others in "the base" are pissing me off, they're being totally counterproductive and not looking at the big picture.

Originally Posted by thumper

They got IED's in New Jersey............???????

No... but we should be going over by the fall.

[biguglygoalie]

Originally Posted by biguglygoalie

ryj and cdnrr - can you please tell us how much better things are since 2000? i want to hear your point of views - after all you were 13 and 15 when clinton left office...

still waiting...

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by biguglygoalie

ryj and cdnrr - can you please tell us how much better things are since 2000? i want to hear your point of views - after all you were 13 and 15 when clinton left office...still waiting...

You've asked this same dumbass question five thousand times.

Remember, Calvin Coolidge was president during the prosperous 1920's, while FDR was president during the Depression and a World War.

[azdave]

Bottom line Ryj is you really should answer his question. I know it is hard for anyone from the right to give Clinton any credit but man the USA was a hell of a lot better during the Clinton years than any of the Bush years 1 or 2. The mess Bush is leaving will take years and years to clean up. McCain actually believes we will have a military presence in Iraq for a hundred years. What soldier wants to be in that hell hole doing police work. That is not what are military is trained to do nor should they be there as a security force. If we leave too few soldiers there and there is a organized attack it would be a bloodbath. It is time to wrap it up and get the hell out of there. The economy cannot handle another 4 years of Iraq. It is impossible. Our dollar is being crushed. Foreign countries are buying Euros instead of the dollar. Inflation is running up and the Fed plans on lowering interest rates again. All very bad signs for an economy that is sluggish at best. Clinton left Bush with an economy that was very healthy and he Harkined to death just like he did with Harkins and the Texas Rangers. Really the only benefit that Bush created was that for Haliburton share holders. HMMMM, see the connection?

[biguglygoalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

You've asked this same dumbass question five thousand times.

so that make five thousand times you have avoided giving a dumbass answer...

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Tool.

Is there such a thing as the "front line" in Iraq?

You do understand that it's not a conventional war, right? IEDs can hit a PSYOP unit just as easily as an Infantry unit.

Dummy...front line would mean riding gunner on a hummer in the hot zones, not desk jockey on a base that you will never leave. I don't expect you'll even hear a shot in anger if you were to go there.

[Rayzilla]

Originally Posted by azdave

Bottom line Ryj is you really should answer his question. I know it is hard for anyone from the right to give Clinton any credit but man the USA was a hell of a lot better during the Clinton years than any of the Bush years 1 or 2. The mess Bush is leaving will take years and years to clean up...
.... Really the only benefit that Bush created was that for Haliburton share holders. HMMMM, see the connection?

Hopefully I am not far off (being a Canadian that is not totally up to date with US economics and all), but he's not only helped out all of his Haliburton S/H buddies, but also all of his oil friends and families. Ironically on the latter, it has multiplied the wealth of the middle east by thousands of times more than his own U.S. buddies, that now all of the middle east billioinaires can buy up so many of the U.S. assets... Not a good long term picture for the U.S. if my opinion is accurate in any way.

[ThePM]

RyJ are you mentally capable of forming a logical argument? Every single time someone asks you to defend your point of view, you go silent until you can take a shot at something pointless.

This thread exemplifies not only your ignorance, but your inability to make any points without adding sarcasm or random trash to a thread. Have you heard of substance?

The only thing worse is that people still try to convince you -- I don't know why they bother trying. I'd love to say more, but that would be viewed as a personal attack and I'd rather not be banned over you.

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

I prefer the term "Force-Multiplier."

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

How can Bush be incompetent if he managed to cover up the fact he was behind 9/11?

Nailed ya.

[azdave]

Very interesting point about the increased wealth of the middle east. I wonder what the Saudi's royal family was worth pre 911 vs. now. Hmmmm.

I hope Prince abielbalahdon'tgiveahitwhathisnameis rewards Bush with more than a peck on the cheek No wonder they were holding hands in the Rose Garden.

[Flagg3139]

Originally Posted by ThePM

RyJ are you mentally capable of forming a logical argument? Every single time someone asks you to defend your point of view, you go silent until you can take a shot at something pointless.

This thread exemplifies not only your ignorance, but your inability to make any points without adding sarcasm or random trash to a thread. Have you heard of substance?

The only thing worse is that people still try to convince you -- I don't know why they bother trying. I'd love to say more, but that would be viewed as a personal attack and I'd rather not be banned over you.

His "force mulitplier" comment that you quoted was simply a response to me calling him a POG, which I meant in a good natured way.

[Magician]

Originally Posted by Thumper

They got IED's in New Jersey............???????

There will be if a Democrat gets elected.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by ThePM

This thread exemplifies not only your ignorance, but your inability to make any points without adding sarcasm or random trash to a thread. Have you heard of substance?

You gotta be kidding me. This thread exemplifies my ignorance? Have you read any of sloth's posts?

Originally Posted by sloth

Dummy...front line would mean riding gunner on a hummer in the hot zones, not desk jockey on a base that you will never leave. I don't expect you'll even hear a shot in anger if you were to go there.

You obviously have no clue what PSYOP does. Not quite a desk jockey job. More like driving around with a loudspeaker on your truck to let EVERYBODY know you're there. And Intel guys go out with those units.

Frankly though, it really doesn't matter whether or not I'll be "in the ****."

You obviously have no respect for American troops in a support role who are in danger from IDF (indirect fire) every day, even if they are working on the FOB. Were you in?

[geojedi]

"There is nothing like war for making money." Oskar Schindler
This is true IF you are in the military-industrial complex.
This is handicapped by the results. i.e. We won WWII and people were happy. Korea, Vietnam, and Iraq 2 are ties at best. The nation's morale is down.

Questionable lending practices led to the housing bubble burst. How many people are really going to be making 5-10K more a year in a couple of years when the balloon payment comes?

People, you are missing out on the fact that the economy is an election year economy showing signs of a party change. This is a fact that must be dealt with.
1980-Carter/Reagan. For those who cannot remember, watch the beginning of Miracle again.
1992- Bush I/Clinton. Economy dips.
2008- Bush II/ Obama. Poor economy. Remember that true recession is defined as two quarters in downfall.
When has the economy not returned? This is no different and next year this time no one will be talking about it.

The major mistake in the military past was not getting Hussein during Desert Storm. A subsequent arguable point was removing Hussein when we did. Bin Laden laughs at us rightfully.

Being President is not easy. The job is not worth $400,000 a year in my opinion.

I would love to see President BE President. Sadly, with archaic devices like the electoral college in place, it is a challenge. A few times in history the popular vote has not reflected the electoral vote.
I would also love to see every President have a line by line veto power. By passing good stuff and vetoing fluff riders placed in by the gaming politicians, we can actually get something done.
I would also be thrilled to see the politicians subjected to Joe Average's health insurance and Social Security. Take away the cush rides that Reps and Sens get and you will see things change quickly in these arenas.
I think a six year tearm may be better than four and a re-election. There is nothing powerful about a President who cannot be reelected. History has show a striking majority of second terms to be bad.

[Lars]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

You gotta be kidding me. This thread exemplifies my ignorance? Have you read any of sloth's posts?


You obviously have no clue what PSYOP does. Not quite a desk jockey job. More like driving around with a loudspeaker on your truck to let EVERYBODY know you're there. And Intel guys go out with those units.

Frankly though, it really doesn't matter whether or not I'll be "in the ****."

You obviously have no respect for American troops in a support role who are in danger from IDF (indirect fire) every day, even if they are working on the FOB. Were you in?

Ohh shush RyJ do not be all indignant a few peeps I know very well and family have had genuine combat experience and they do not act like indignant morons that are incapable of honest self appraisal. Calm down and have a cigar, CUBAN

[Flagg3139]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

You gotta be kidding me. This thread exemplifies my ignorance? Have you read any of sloth's posts?


You obviously have no clue what PSYOP does. Not quite a desk jockey job. More like driving around with a loudspeaker on your truck to let EVERYBODY know you're there. And Intel guys go out with those units.

Frankly though, it really doesn't matter whether or not I'll be "in the ****."

You obviously have no respect for American troops in a support role who are in danger from IDF (indirect fire) every day, even if they are working on the FOB. Were you in?

RyJ has a point. Our FOB was hit every single day with mortar and rocket fire. The guys who never left the wire still faced the very real danger of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Rockets Kill 2 GIs In Afghanistan, 8 Others Wounded In Attack On Base In E. Aghanistan - CBS News
2 G.I.'s Killed in Mortar Attack on Base - New York Times
U.S. base comes under mortar attack near Falluja | Iraq Updates

As for psyop, we did a number of missions with them around Fallujah where we would get right up to the city and have the psyop guys blare propaganda and music with the intention of drawing fire.