Success in Iraq?

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

He is a strong supporter of the invasion and occupation of Iraq and believes the number of U.S. troops there should be beefed up. That proves that he does anything for global corporations and look what corporate fascism had done for you in just eight years.

Yes, that's exactly what it proves.

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

(big oil and military industrial complex) omg omg omg!!!! 11!!!(big oil and military industrial complex) o noes!!

It's unfortunate that we don't have the "rolling around laughing hysterically" smiley available on this board.

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

For gods sake he wants that creatonism should be taught in school.

Are you trying to be ironic or something?

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Yes, that's exactly what it proves

Why do you think you went to Iraq? Terrorists

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

It's unfortunate that we don't have the "rolling around laughing hysterically" smiley available on this board.

Why do you think oil companys and military industrial complex are making record profits? I guess is nothing to do with Iraq

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Are you trying to be ironic or something?

Isnt it going to be "taught" in SCIENCE class? "Intelligent design" has NOTHING to do with science.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

[Steve L]

Hey RyJ,

this, from twice elected RepublicanPresident, and WW2 Comander and hero, President Eisenhower:

A vital element in keeping the peace is our military establishment. Our arms must be mighty, ready for instant action, so that no potential aggressor may be tempted to risk his own destruction...
This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence — economic, political, even spiritual — is felt in every city, every statehouse, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Do not for a minute think that being wary of the power of the MIC is liberal, leftie, or otherwise unwise position to hold.

Like any "industry", growth and profit are the primary concern. If your industry is war, then you must make sure your government is ready to goto war for your financial benefit.

[Swedish goalie]

Halliburton has become synonymous with war profiteering, but there are lots of other greedy fingers in the pie.
The history of American war profiteering is rife with egregious examples of incompetence, fraud, tax evasion, embezzlement, bribery and misconduct. As war historians has suggested, each new war is infected with new forms of war profiteering. Iraq is no exception. From criminal mismanagement of Iraq's oil revenues to armed private security contractors operating with virtual impunity, this war has created opportunities for an appalling amount of corruption.

Bush is not the first president to go to war on making money and not the last.

[RyJ Maduro]

Steve, I'm more than familiar with Eisenhower's commentary on the military-industrial complex, but the MIC rhetoric has become tired, as it is so often mixed in with healthy doses of 9/11 conspiracy theory and general anti-war moonbattery... I'm sure Ike is rolling in his grave at the way his words have been taken out of context in an attempt to legitimize leftist subversion of the war effort.

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

Halliburton has become synonymous with war profiteering, but there are lots of other greedy fingers in the pie.
The history of American war profiteering is rife with egregious examples of incompetence, fraud, tax evasion, embezzlement, bribery and misconduct. As war historians has suggested, each new war is infected with new forms of war profiteering. Iraq is no exception. From criminal mismanagement of Iraq's oil revenues to armed private security contractors operating with virtual impunity, this war has created opportunities for an appalling amount of corruption.

Bush is not the first president to go to war on making money and not the last.

Nice copy and paste job, Swede... under most circumstances, that would probably be construed as intellectual infringement, but DailyKos really doesn't meet the defining criteria.

So who was the first fascist bastard U.S. president to go to war for money? Roosevelt? McKinley? Lincoln? Polk?

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Steve, I'm more than familiar with Eisenhower's commentary on the military-industrial complex, but the MIC rhetoric has become tired, as it is so often mixed in with healthy doses of 9/11 conspiracy theory and general anti-war moonbattery... I'm sure Ike is rolling in his grave at the way his words have been taken out of context in an attempt to legitimize leftist subversion of the war effort.

If you are so familiar with it you would know its not taking out of context.
YouTube - Eisenhower on the Military Industrial Complex

[azdave]

Ryj, good to see your back and as feisty as ever. Should McCain get elected it will provide job security for the defense industry for years to come. Also it will most likely get us to the point where we will have to reinstate the draft as I cannot see enlistments being able to keep up with demand. This war/occupation, take over of a country, was, is and will be about oil. After not finding any WMDs it should have been, hey guys we took out your evil dictator, see ya. Actually we should never have gone in the first place.

Listening to the right it seems Iran is next

[biguglygoalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Steve, I'm more than familiar with Eisenhower's commentary on the military-industrial complex, but the MIC rhetoric has become tired, as it is so often mixed in with healthy doses of 9/11 conspiracy theory and general anti-war moonbattery... I'm sure Ike is rolling in his grave at the way his words have been taken out of context in an attempt to legitimize leftist subversion of the war effort.



Nice copy and paste job, Swede... under most circumstances, that would probably be construed as intellectual infringement, but DailyKos really doesn't meet the defining criteria.

So who was the first fascist bastard U.S. president to go to war for money? Roosevelt? McKinley? Lincoln? Polk?

familiar...sure ya are
could you please tell us how ikes quote was taken out of context while i try to find the rolling around laughing hysterically smiley?

you are a fine example of why privates are paid to follow and not think...

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Steve, I'm more than familiar with Eisenhower's commentary on the military-industrial complex, but the MIC rhetoric has become tired, as it is so often mixed in with healthy doses of 9/11 conspiracy theory and general anti-war moonbattery... I'm sure Ike is rolling in his grave at the way his words have been taken out of context in an attempt to legitimize leftist subversion of the war effort.

Ummmm....Ike's words were carefully chose and used and there is no way in hell they could be taken out of context. He meant what he said and said what he meant. If you listen to the whole speech you can see exactly what he meant and it is very evident in today's US economy.

If you check the Dow Jones index, 7 of them are companies which derive a significant portion of their revenue from DoD contracts.

That's roughly 25%.

Take note of recent administrations and the number of advisors and staffers in the Pentagon and the administrations who were/are lobbyists/execs/consultants for Defense contractors. When you start connecting the dots...it gets pretty scary at how rooted the defense industry is in Congress, the Pentagon and the White House, and I am not being specific on which POTUS as they've all been involved in it as long as I've been aware of politics.

To say that the decisions to wage war these days are purely political/security is absurd given the level of influence these contractors have in Washington. Most of it is financial. When KBR/Halliburton is charging $45 a plate to the American tax payer for food at the mess halls in Iraq....something is terribly wrong.

[Smoove]

Originally Posted by azdave

blah blah blah, pointless drivel, blah blah blah more kool-aid...Listening to the right it seems Iran is next

Then riddle me thids:

Barack Obama, two nights ago in Portland, on Iran: "They don't pose a serious threat to us."

Barack Obama, yesterday, in Billings, Montana, on Iran: "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Smoove

Then riddle me thids:

Barack Obama, two nights ago in Portland, on Iran: "They don't pose a serious threat to us."

Barack Obama, yesterday, in Billings, Montana, on Iran: "I've made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave."

“They don’t pose a serious threat to us in the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us.”

Couldn't even complete the sentence Smoove..........?????????


And in complete context....................

"So John McCain, he said, ‘Oh, Obama doesn't understand the threat of Iran.’ I understand the threat of Iran. But what I know is that the Soviet Union had the ability to destroy the world several times over, had satellites spanning the globe, had huge masses of conventional military power all directed at destroying us, and so I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave, but what I’ve said is that we should not just talk to our friends, we should be willing to engage our enemies as well, that's what diplomacy is all about."

Go back and play with the other idiots please......................

[Smoove]

Most of the idiots seem to be playing right here, and I have a full bag of popcorn.

Couldn't you not waste my time and host a link to the blog next time.

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Smoove

I still am, it is quite fun.

That's your response ?

No justification or explanation of your 'Quote-Mining' ?

Don't you feel any shame or embarrassment at being shown to be a know-nothing ?

I didn't think so.....................

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by Smoove

Couldn't you not waste my time and host a link to the blog next time.

I can see where facts and DIRECT quotes would be a waste of your time.

Trust me, most everyone participating in this thread is smarter than you.............

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by ;1221137

According to the most recent reports of their personal finances, 151 current members of Congress had between $78.7 million and $195.5 million invested in companies that received defense contracts of at least $5 million in 2006. In all, these companies received more than $275.6 billion from the government in 2006, or $755 million per day, according to FedSpending.org, a website of the budget watchdog group OMB Watch.

More than a quarter of senators and congressmen have invested at least $196 million of their own money in companies doing business with the military industrial complex. That is pretty corrupt.

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