Success in Iraq?

[azdave]

Sloth, the guy was in Congress back in 82. What does that have to do with him being a senator now. Am I suppose to say Sen. John McCain, formerly Congressman John McCain? Also I moved here in 96 not 82.

Since you are so concerned about bankruptcy then why in the world would you want a guy who has stated he doesn't know anything about the economy?

Republicans yelled and screamed that Clinton was going to bankrupt the country but he did the exact opposite and created a surplus. The savior of the Republican party has put us so deep in debt it is truly terrifying. Example: today's AZ Republic had a story about the truth of the national debt. Each household would be responsible for over $500,000 to pay over our national debt, DOUBLE of what it was just one year ago.

Yeah, that is what we need another 4 years of Bush like policy. Better live where it is cold because that will be the only ice that will be available.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by azdave

Sloth, the guy was in Congress back in 82. What does that have to do with him being a senator now. Am I suppose to say Sen. John McCain, formerly Congressman John McCain? Also I moved here in 96 not 82.

Since you are so concerned about bankruptcy then why in the world would you want a guy who has stated he doesn't know anything about the economy?

Republicans yelled and screamed that Clinton was going to bankrupt the country but he did the exact opposite and created a surplus. The savior of the Republican party has put us so deep in debt it is truly terrifying. Example: today's AZ Republic had a story about the truth of the national debt. Each household would be responsible for over $500,000 to pay over our national debt, DOUBLE of what it was just one year ago.

Yeah, that is what we need another 4 years of Bush like policy. Better live where it is cold because that will be the only ice that will be available.

The difference is, is that I am pretty certain McCain, while he may not know too much about economics, knows enough to employ people who do know what to do. It isn't the POTUS' job to know everything, rather to be the 'CEO' of our nation and make sure the right people are in the right places to do the right job and his job as 'CEO' is to manage/lead them. I feel confident in his ability to do that.

BTW...what are Obama's economic credentials? I'd love to know.

[azdave]

Sloth, I guess I need to clear this up. My first choice of the 2 candidates would be Hilary. She has the experience and has been a direct part of 8 years at the White House, she will not need a learning curve. Obama would be my second choice as I do believe he has the intelligence and the energy level to become a great president. As far as McCain goes you are right about surrounding himself with the right peopel Too bad those people are all lobbyists tied to defense and big oil. Sorry but I see no change in policy with having him as president. Bush's ratings are so low it is historical and yet the right is running around with this guy who has not had an original thought regarding politics in years.

[Bones343]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

BTW...what are Obama's economic credentials? I'd love to know.

You won't get an answer from azdave on this because he just avoids talking about the other 2 to change the subject back to Mccain, and he probably couldn't find anything on the question.

It is kind of sad that people don't look at the positives, but rather the things they don't like, and that is what determines who to vote for. Are we just negative people?

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by azdave

Sloth, I guess I need to clear this up. My first choice of the 2 candidates would be Hilary. She has the experience and has been a direct part of 8 years at the White House, she will not need a learning curve. Obama would be my second choice as I do believe he has the intelligence and the energy level to become a great president. As far as McCain goes you are right about surrounding himself with the right peopel Too bad those people are all lobbyists tied to defense and big oil. Sorry but I see no change in policy with having him as president. Bush's ratings are so low it is historical and yet the right is running around with this guy who has not had an original thought regarding politics in years.

Hillary has no experience.

Just because you sat in the passenger seat for 8 years doesn't mean you know how to drive a car. I mean conceptually you do, but that doesn't mean you can step behind the wheel, grab on put it in gear and not wreck the thing.

She is the absolute worst case scenario you could imagine for this country right now, but she is so far gone that it is a moot point.

And referencing lobbyists... This article shows a bit of the truth....that they are both in bed with lobbyists. Don't be naive Dave.....they're all in bed with the Lobbyists. Need we discuss the Lincoln Bedroom and Hillary?
Obama Faults McCain on Lobbyist Influence | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

[azdave]

Bones, Obama does not have a degree in economics nor does McCain, nor does Hilary. Obama did not state nor did I that he was a genius in the field of economics. I think McCain stating he doesn't know anything about this stuff leads me to believe that he doesn't even have a thought about an economic policy, just like Bush. You can rip on Obama, Hilary and me all you want but at least they are trying to come up with ideas that will offer a hope for the middle class in America.

thoughts on that $500,000 per household to pay off the national debt? Thoughts on how it has doubled in one year alone? Thoughts on the current economic policy of Bush's?? Here's a little bit of info. The Bush stimulus package appears headed to cost over 200 billion.
this is an example of really stupid economic policy.

Sloth your passenger analogy is a good one if one was indeed just a passenger. I believe she was much more than a passenger plus she has a proven track record in the political arena all on her own.

As soon as Obama and/or Hilary announce their complete economic package we can discuss. I will also wait to see what McCain's looks like. Hopefully he has one.

[Bones343]

Originally Posted by azdave

Bones, Obama does not have a degree in economics nor does McCain, nor does Hilary. Obama did not state nor did I that he was a genius in the field of economics. I think McCain stating he doesn't know anything about this stuff leads me to believe that he doesn't even have a thought about an economic policy, just like Bush. You can rip on Obama, Hilary and me all you want but at least they are trying to come up with ideas that will offer a hope for the middle class in America.

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I wasn't aware I was ripping anyone. It seems as if the only one ripping on people is you on Mccain.

I will say however that I doubt you have a good/full understanding on the situation in the Middle East with the US.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by azdave

Sloth your passenger analogy is a good one if one was indeed just a passenger. I believe she was much more than a passenger plus she has a proven track record in the political arena all on her own.

As soon as Obama and/or Hilary announce their complete economic package we can discuss. I will also wait to see what McCain's looks like. Hopefully he has one.

And here I thought you weren't really religious...that's a lot of faith that Bill ever let her drive. I suspect it was more like the scene with Rainman in the parking lot of Caesar's.



It will be nice to compare apples to apples for their eco plans. But to be honest it wont sway me. DNC congress + WH = bad things man. Too many far left loonies floating about.

Who knows...to be honest. McCain could truly be a major flop. Obama could turn into a Jefferson. Many believed that Jefferson would be so liberal and cause sweeping changes in the US government, when it turned out he was one of the most cautious and calculating Presidents we ever had. The Oval Office, or Oral Office if Hillary gets in(she wont...) has a strange way of making people behave differently.

Truth be told if I had to choose Hillary or Obama...I'd rather have Obama.

[Courage1]

Originally Posted by azdave

Bones, Obama does not have a degree in economics nor does McCain, nor does Hilary. Obama did not state nor did I that he was a genius in the field of economics.

Ironically GWB has an MBA from Harvard and is the only one in any of this stuff that should know anything about money

That said, Sloth is right, really the only thing that matters is the ability to identify the proper people to advise them, and the intestinal fortitude to listen to them regardless of the influence from special interests and panic reactions to the polls....

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

BTW...what are Obama's economic credentials? I'd love to know.

He knew enough to not support the gasoline tax moratorium.

That told me a lot about all three of them..............................

[azdave]

For some reason the right has misled so many people saying that Democrats or "lefty loonies" are the tax and spend party. Now if you really want to have a debate in regards to this it does not take much to realize how untrue this is. First George the 1st stated that the way to improve the economy back then was to lower and not raise taxes. But he raised taxes. Clinton said he was going to raise taxes and become more fiscally responsible and we wound up with a surplus. George the 2nd stated he would lower taxes and that would make the economy boom, which it did but only for the top 2% of the US taxpayers. I know very few people that have a better standard of living today than they did during Clinton's time in office. Plus remember he had to clean up the first Bush's mess.


MBA for W. That should be added to the 7 wonders of the world

[Courage1]

^^^^^^ maybe he can be the boss from Dilbert when he is done....

[Timberwoof]

Originally Posted by azdave

First George the 1st stated that the way to improve the economy back then was to lower and not raise taxes. But he raised taxes.

Interestingly, Gorge I had a very interesting phrase for "Reaganomics" or the "Trickle Down" economics. Prretty much up until the point he was named Reagan's VP running mate, he called it "Voodoo Economics".

More in the Laffer Curve, on which Reaganomics was based: Obsidian Wings: The WSJ: Twenty-Odd Data Points On A Mission

Courage, George II is already one of the worst examples of PHB I've ever seen. Throughout his career, he has chosen people for sensitive positions based not on their skill or qualifications, but on their personal loyalty to him and the Republican Party. The worst thing, IMHO, that he did was to appoint people to run Iraq who specifically did not have any experience with Arab culture. Remember, his chief business accomplishments before becoming US President were to run a few oil companies into the ground and to snooker a town into buying his baseball team a new stadium.

[azdave]

Timber, surely this man has much more going for him then running a few oil companies and a baseball team into the ground Look at the blind loyalty that you read post after post about how the Dems are the reason the country is so mucked up. Especially that Bill Clinton. Hell he hasn't been president for years but don't let that stop the blame game. Bush, McCain are too close to call. Even Bush was backing this insane immigration bill that McCain was pushing.

Isn't interesting that a comment was made about how the cost of goods would go up if we sent all the illegals back? Isn't this the same group that bitches about the illegals getting benefits from the gov. and free health care. How can you have it both ways? There never really is a true debate it seems more like Obama sucks but McCain is great. Hilary sucks but McCain is great. McCain has done nothing, and I mean nothing for years and yet the other two have no experience. 20 some odd years of sitting around counts as presidential material. Oh Yeah these are the same folks that still think Bush is a hell of a prez.

[Swedish goalie]

He is a strong supporter of the invasion and occupation of Iraq and believes the number of U.S. troops there should be beefed up. That proves that he does anything for global corporations and look what corporate fascism had done for you in just eight years. What do you think will happened with another eight years of that route? Get ready for Amero if mcCain wins.

If you dont think he will be the same as bush you just havent done your homework. It will be the same adm with the same agenda except that the puppet will be changed.
The same people that put bush into office is the same that will get mcCain into office(big oil and military industrial complex), the same people behind bush will be the same people behind mcCain(big oil and military industrial complex). You do the math.


For gods sake he wants that creatonism should be taught in school.