Death Penalty for rape

[Holy the Goalie]

[Devil's Advocate]What about the fact that child victims of sexual abuse are x times more likely to sexually abuse children themselves? Should they be killed because something happened to them when they were a child?[/Devil's Advocate]

[hroark2112]

Originally Posted by Holy the Goalie

[Devil's Advocate]What about the fact that child victims of sexual abuse are x times more likely to sexually abuse children themselves? Should they be killed because something happened to them when they were a child?[/Devil's Advocate]

Nope, because not all of us continue that particular cycle.

[Stryker908]

Being abused is not an excuse to abuse others.....

[Holy the Goalie]

Sorry, I should clarify. I didn't mean that everyone that is abused as a child should be killed to PREVENT them from doing something terrible. I meant, is it fair to punish someone who was sexually abused as a child, who then turns around and repeats the crime on another child. Should we kill someone who commits a heinous crime, if they were originally a victim of that same crime?

[Stryker908]

Originally Posted by Holy the Goalie

Sorry, I should clarify. I didn't mean that everyone that is abused as a child should be killed to PREVENT them from doing something terrible. I meant, is it fair to punish someone who was sexually abused as a child, who then turns around and repeats the crime on another child. Should we kill someone who commits a heinous crime, if they were originally a victim of that same crime?

I still dont see that as an excuse or an exception, at some point they still have to decide that they are going to continue the abuse .....

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by Holy the Goalie

Sorry, I should clarify. I didn't mean that everyone that is abused as a child should be killed to PREVENT them from doing something terrible. I meant, is it fair to punish someone who was sexually abused as a child, who then turns around and repeats the crime on another child. Should we kill someone who commits a heinous crime, if they were originally a victim of that same crime?

yes we should. Becuase you were a victim at one time does not give you a get out of jail free card.



be interested to see the number of victims who then commit an act later......

[elite]

Originally Posted by James_esq

I was being more facetious than serious about the castration, but I am curious as to why you think they would rape more often?

I'd think they'd reason (as odd as that sounds) that they better get in as much sex as possible in case they're ever caught. Therefore it seems likely that a child raper would try to commit as many acts as possible before he [or she] is caught.

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by elite

I'd think they'd reason (as odd as that sounds) that they better get in as much sex as possible in case they're ever caught. Therefore it seems likely that a child raper would try to commit as many acts as possible before he [or she] is caught.

There is a son a of bitch in Sweden that has confessed that he raped and murdered a 10 ten year old girl Since he lives in Sweden he is going to get 2-3 years in jail for that(Swedens jail cells are like an normal hotel room) He probobly also has murdered and raped more people including and children

[goalerjones]

a truley complicated issue from top to bottom.

Is it worth the life of a child rapist? Yes, if it's true.

Is it easy to see the truth in child-rape cases? No.

Incontrovertable evidence is hard to come by in these sort of cases, unless it involves eyewitnesses (and why were they there as a witness unless they were unwitting minors themselves), and/or video footage (which some are stupid enough to provide by themselves).

Then of course, they have broken it down to a race issue...invalid to an actual crime, but perhaps relevent to the local juristiction...one could site the black men found to be unworthy of their sentences on death row in Illinois as enough prejudicial evidence for thier cases.

[Timberwoof]

The biggest error being made here is assuming that people are always nice little logical Vulcans, thinking through the consequences of every action, and then, after careful deliberation, commencing with action.

People aren't like that. The thought process that leads to rape is not, "I am horny. My parents beat me. I am mad at people in general, and I can slake my desires while compensating for my feelings of inadequacy brought on by an unhappy childhood by expressing sexual superiority over someone. The chances of my getting caught are such and so, and if I am caught, the chances of conviction are this and that. They won't try to kill me, and even if they do, I'll have years of appeals. I conclude that I can safely **** this little ****."

People have been threatening others with prison and death in retaliation for wrong behavior for a long time, but it clearly does not work. Proof is that Louisiana still has the problem. I'm willing to bet that if Louisiana passes that law, someone will get convicted and killed under it.

The solution is to consider why people actually behave the way they do, and adjust society in a way that minimizes the sorts of situations that damage people into becoming criminals. Of course, that means admitting that attitudes and thought processes used until now are wrong, and that is extremely difficult for many people to do. They'd rather go on looking for ways to justify their actions.

Frankly, I was horrified at some of the suggestions about what to do with rapists. Step 1: Declare them not human. That is always the road to more brutality instead of less. Stop it.

[leaferguy]

Timber, what would you propose to deal with the high levels of recidivism in sex offenders like rapists?

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

Frankly, I was horrified at some of the suggestions about what to do with rapists. Step 1: Declare them not human. That is always the road to more brutality instead of less. Stop it.

To each their own. I believe if you rape a defeseless child you deserve so much more then we could ever possibly dish out. It is not even worth trying so you should be killed.

I dont care about the reasons or thought process they had. They did the act.

[hateclowns]

Obviously, any normal person finds rape detestable, and the rape of a child far worse. No matter what the age of the victim, there is without a doubt a special place in hell reserved for rapists. Even people who don't believe in hell would probably make an exception just to have somewhere for these 'people' to go.

As already pointed out, I do think one of the largest problems with this is what the article pointed out, that an increase of murder victims would occur.

Since giving people the death penalty is such an expense, just put these people in jail. Word will spread like a brushfire about them (this mostly applies for the child molesters), and they will either be killed soon enough, or their lives will become so awful they will wish they got the death penalty.

Of course, this might not happen. Increasing or changing the punishment for a crime has rarely done much to lower the instances of it happening. Admittedly, I am saying that with no factual evidence whatsoever, just simply my observations on society.

[Oddzilla51]

Timber, I suggest that you try to explain to a 2, 4, or 6 year old victim of rape that society is to blame and not the person who raped him/her. I'm sure that will make it all better and erase all the emotional, physical and mental scars and damage that had been done.

Oh, and then by them an ice cream. But only one scoop because if society is to blame then the child themself is also to blame for being so cute, trusting, innocent and appealing to someone whom society has caused to do something like that. For that they don't deserve two scoops.



Stop making excuses for deviants.

If they did it and it's proven (not just accused because people are always accused of things they haven't done) then forget prison. It's too good for them.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

The biggest error being made here is assuming that people are always nice little logical Vulcans, thinking through the consequences of every action, and then, after careful deliberation, commencing with action.

People aren't like that. The thought process that leads to rape is not, "I am horny. My parents beat me. I am mad at people in general, and I can slake my desires while compensating for my feelings of inadequacy brought on by an unhappy childhood by expressing sexual superiority over someone. The chances of my getting caught are such and so, and if I am caught, the chances of conviction are this and that. They won't try to kill me, and even if they do, I'll have years of appeals. I conclude that I can safely **** this little ****."

People have been threatening others with prison and death in retaliation for wrong behavior for a long time, but it clearly does not work. Proof is that Louisiana still has the problem. I'm willing to bet that if Louisiana passes that law, someone will get convicted and killed under it.

The solution is to consider why people actually behave the way they do, and adjust society in a way that minimizes the sorts of situations that damage people into becoming criminals. Of course, that means admitting that attitudes and thought processes used until now are wrong, and that is extremely difficult for many people to do. They'd rather go on looking for ways to justify their actions.

Frankly, I was horrified at some of the suggestions about what to do with rapists. Step 1: Declare them not human. That is always the road to more brutality instead of less. Stop it.

Because there are lions, we have to adjust the herd to accommodate the lions? It doesn't matter how often you adjust the herd, the lion will still claim its victims. You cannot stop them in any other way other than to kill the lions. Sure there will be more lions, but you kill them too. It becomes a game of whack a mole. Every time one surfaces, exterminate them.

The one thing you're right at is that these people don't have those thought processes when they victimize a child or anyone for that matter, they are simply predators and they only know one thing...to prey upon the weak, and to target a child, a person that is completely and utterly defenseless is the lowest level a human can sink, even further than committing genocide if you ask me.

To read what you wrote, essentially defending their behavior and saying that society is wrong, and not their own predatory thought processes, disturbs me. It speaks to your inner motivations, or at a minimum what I and others perceive to be your inner motivations.

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