Death Penalty for rape

[Timberwoof]

Originally Posted by sloth2946

The answer to my question is simple. The adult. Period. And I do care about your answer because it says a lot about you that you'd blame society, and not the monster.

**** you, *******! I did not say "not the monster" and I was quite clear about it. I've had quite enough of you and your simpleton binary brain lying about my positions. Go to hell. If pissing people off by misrepresenting their positions is how you think you "win" arguments, then so be it. You win. I cannot argue with logic like that.

[sloth2946]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

**** you, *******! I did not say "not the monster" and I was quite clear about it. I've had quite enough of you and your simpleton binary brain lying about my positions. Go to hell. If pissing people off by misrepresenting their positions is how you think you "win" arguments, then so be it. You win. I cannot argue with logic like that.

I did not misinterpret.

You said 'the adult' and then you said society creates these monsters, thereby absolving the monster. It's your words, not mine. If I was the only one to notice it, it would be one thing. But others have noticed it too and are frankly disgusted by it.

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by H_man2

Who are you to state they will have nothing to contribute to humanity? There are too many variables to kill a potential advancement for humanity. What if they reform? What if they rid themselves of their negative thoughts, or eroticism? Anyone else with the same DNA, the same background, and life would have committed the same atrocious acts. Who are we to say there's no potential left?

They threw out their chance to help society by raping a small child and stealing the most innocent thing we have.

it is impossible to recreate the same background/environment.

No potential left.......they proved that when they hurt the child



Timber - you can blame society all you want but we all live in this world and are responsible for our own actions. Using society as an excuse is a cop out..... They chose to make that choice. If they are uncapable of making that choice then they can rot in a mental facility instead of death.....

[Timberwoof]

Soulpatch, you're being just as much an idiot as Sloth. I did NOT say that society's contribution to the problem absolves the abuser! The rest of what you said is basically in agreement with what I wrote. The problem seems to be that some people can't simultaneously hold that concept AND the idea that we ALSO need to fix the problems in society that damage people in the first place.

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

Soulpatch, you're being just as much an idiot as Sloth. I did NOT say that society's contribution to the problem absolves the abuser! The rest of what you said is basically in agreement with what I wrote. The problem seems to be that some people can't simultaneously hold that concept AND the idea that we ALSO need to fix the problems in society that damage people in the first place.

WTF are you talking about???? I did not say you said it absolved the blame. You did however say that society was also to blame and I do not agree with that.

Society is the same for us all. THey however made the wrong choice and blaming society is crap.

Fix the problems in society by killing those idiots that chose to drag us down.

Call me an idiot all you want but you are the one with your head up your ass

[Oddzilla51]

I blame society for making me into a devoted husband, a loving and responsible father, a hard worker and a loyal friend despite all the bad physical, mental, emotional and psychological abuse that has happened to me from childhood to adulthood.

Curse you, society!!

[Timberwoof]

I find it ironic that in this thread, it's death to the child molesters for having made bad choices and society's not to be blamed ... meanwhile over in the thread about the Fundamentalist Mormons, it's all about the society that these people created that's going to turn their kids bad.

[Oddzilla51]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

I find it ironic that in this thread, it's death to the child molesters for having made bad choices and society's not to be blamed ... meanwhile over in the thread about the Fundamentalist Mormons, it's all about the society that these people created that's going to turn their kids bad.

That's not the "society" you referred to with your wide paint brush.

When you said society you were talking about society as a whole. That is a sect. It's a subset of "society." It's something they made up with their own rules because "society" has a thing about child molesters.

Society didn't make them do it, they chose to do it because they like being deviants and doing immoral things that they know is wrong. That's why the place was blocked off from the rest of the world so they wouldn't get in trouble.

Had they just made their own little place, lived the way they "said" they were living, not hurt anyone or molest children and sexually abuse them (alright, I'll even say allegedly) then no one would have had a problem with them.

So, well, in a way I guess you're right that they did make their own "society", but that "society" made them do bad things but it was what they set up themselves to do. So in essence, their society was to blame because they made it to do exactly what they wanted to do.

So who's really to blame? Them? Their "society"? Society as a whole? The little girls for not being able to defend themselves and were bred to be married and sexually abused?

Wow, didn't think of that before... They were actually breeding little girls to marry and molest. I wonder what the ratio of boys to girls are in that 400 or so kids that were taken out of the compound?

But anyways, your mincing the words to suit an argument and trying to twist things to prove a point.

[Timberwoof]

You're making a point about saying "allegedly" but your argument assumes that your allegations are true. Your post is just dripping with propaganda about those people. "They like being deviants and doing immoral things that they know is wrong"? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

As for twisting words to prove a point, why does it seem okay when Sloth does it?

[biguglygoalie]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

You're making a point about saying "allegedly" but your argument assumes that your allegations are true. Your post is just dripping with propaganda about those people. "They like being deviants and doing immoral things that they know is wrong"? Do you really expect anyone to believe that?

As for twisting words to prove a point, why does it seem okay when Sloth does it?

they didnt know 50 year old men sleeping with an impregnating underage girls was devious and wrong??? yeah ok their "prophet" is in prison for doing just that... btw raising children to be child brides and baby factories when they hit puberty is abuse.

[Timberwoof]

I see. When pressed, you get very specific about your charges. Yeah, that's kind of yucky, and I can see how people might not like that.

But what strikes me is how ready you are to accept that that's what all of them do. Yep ... go after the illegal activities. But for heaven's sake, don't drag all of then through the mud over what only a few of them did!

And let's get some due process going, shall we? Who's the anonymous caller?

[soulpatch]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

I find it ironic that in this thread, it's death to the child molesters for having made bad choices and society's not to be blamed ... meanwhile over in the thread about the Fundamentalist Mormons, it's all about the society that these people created that's going to turn their kids bad.

The fact that you bring in an extreme situation with those cut off from the rest of society to prove your point just proves how wrong your point is. You shoudl have posted this first then we all could have ignored you and not needed to try to get an answer out of you. Good job..........

[Oddzilla51]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

As for twisting words to prove a point, why does it seem okay when Sloth does it?

Actually, Sloth pretty much stands by what he says and doesn't flip-flop or back peddle when someone tries to paint him into a corner (unlike some who paint themselves into that corner).

He says it whether he's right or wrong and stands by it until someone can factually prove him wrong. Then he admits it.

Oh, and he's a ****.

[gophergirl]

Originally Posted by Oddzilla51

Society didn't make them do it, they chose to do it because they like being deviants and doing immoral things that they know is wrong. That's why the place was blocked off from the rest of the world so they wouldn't get in trouble.

I'm not so sure that they "like" doing deviant things. Not every sex offender is the same- motivated by the same desires, interests. Not every sex offender is an anti social psychopath.

Most that I have worked with have been extensively, routinely and severely abused. Not all have been sexual abuse; most of it has been of at least a rather sadistic nature, sometimes with sexual overtones but in general a distinct lack of bonding/connection with any caring adult.

The worst one I worked with I knew as an adolescent in residential treatment. He was there for perpetrating on his sister. He was adopted at age five; his life before then was a drug addicted mother, several abusive boyfriends who not only physically abused him, neglected him, killed his pets in front of him, and while not reported, most likely also sexually abused him as well.

He flamed out of residential treatment at age 14. Therapy was extremely difficult for him and at a pivotal point in treatment his adopted parents couldn't stand the disruption that therapy was causing. They took him to a different facility, then another and finally he was of age and no one could hold him.
Oaway girl, whom they raped, tortured and then dumped her body in an empty lot. They killed her because they enjoyed it. However, they weren't so smart, and he and his friends were arrested and convicted.

So, in short, in my experience most kids who offend have more than "just a crappy childhood." It's a little bit more than making choices. Most of the time these monsters are created, and as a society we cannot absolve ourselves of what we do to children.

That being said, it doesn't mean that we absolve them of responsibility for their actions, and there is little chance that they will ever have the ability to change their behavior. But to simply it down to someone "making a choice" to be a sex offender is really fooling themselves.

[biguglygoalie]

Originally Posted by H_man2

Who are you to state they will have nothing to contribute to humanity? There are too many variables to kill a potential advancement for humanity. What if they reform? What if they rid themselves of their negative thoughts, or eroticism? Anyone else with the same DNA, the same background, and life would have committed the same atrocious acts. Who are we to say there's no potential left?

the only thing they have to contribute is some sort of organic mass to convert into fertilizer!

plain and simple, there is no rehabilitation - there is no reform - there is no providing advancement for humanity. if you sexually molest or abuse a child you have lost the right to call yourself a human being and reap the rewards of such. once that act is committed you are reduced to the lowest life form possible and should be dealt with accordingly!

that sickens me people would defend the actions, make excuses for, and ultimately give them a second chance. i have quit jobs because the company hired a registered sex offender/child molester...