PoPe OK with Aliens (sorta)

[RyJ Maduro]

Bunch of pussies. It's easy to make fun of the religion that you know won't put a fatwa on your ass.

[Bones343]

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Refer to Einstein and The Simpsons/Futurama for my take on the subject of aliens and religion.

[spidergoalie]

Originally Posted by chakal

Mooses never wrote anything

Yeah but only because they don't have opposable thumbs. It's tough to write with hoofs I imagine.



(I"m sorry. I'm the king of typos myself. I just found this one amusing )

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by chakal

Not true.... You should say: As hand written by a man (Thousands of year before us) following what he have heard from his parents, familly and tribe for another couple of centuries. That would be more accurate.

ACtually the bible is just a copy of other older religious writings. At the same time as Christianity was created there was maybe 10-15 religions that had the exact same stories except that a few name was changed in the bible. Also notice at that same time as Jesus was living and claiming he was messias there where thousends of people in jeruslaem claiming the same thing.

Originally Posted by chakal

Mooses never wrote anything too (except maybe the 10 commandments,

There is no archaeology evidence that moses even excisted

Originally Posted by chakal

My guess on UFOs:

You know how they appear in our atmosphere without any radar seeing them coming from a distance and how they disappear as fast and whe can't see them in space? I mean, NASA satellites outside the orbit of the Earth haven't seen (as we know) a UFO. So why can we see them in our atmosphere and not in space and we can see them come from a far distance?

Because they're humans, coming from the Earth, but not in our time. They come from the future. Future humans may have find a way to come back in time, I don't know how, but they do. That's why they can appear and disappear in a flash without leaving any traces in space. They're already here, but many years ahead of us, many milleniums ahead.

Ok, now, do I believe my own stuff? Not really, but it's the most logical theory so far I came up with. Is it more over-the-top than The whole Exodus story? I don't think so.

Actually this make sense. Everyone has seen thoose "grays"? According to evolution scientists we will have larger brains, thinner and smaller bodies, pale skin and big eyes in maybe one million years and that is exactly what one of thoose look likes. We will probobly also have that kind of technology by then.

[chakal]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

ACtually the bible is just a copy of other older religious writings. At the same time as Christianity was created there was maybe 10-15 religions that had the exact same stories except that a few name was changed in the bible. Also notice at that same time as Jesus was living and claiming he was messias there where thousends of people in jeruslaem claiming the same thing.
There is no archaeology evidence that moses even excisted

I know all that, but I was just trying to take it easy. You know, what if the people describe in the Bible really existed. It still wouldn't matter to me, because they all never wrote anything themselves. But I do think exactly like you.

I'll go further: To this day, there's no archaeological proof that Hebrews ever lived in Egypt during the Pharaohs' period. WOW! That would sent the whole Exodus and old testament right to the basket. Proofs are that Pyramids were build by..... Egyptians!! Yes the people building them were soldiers, it was part of the military service and it was considered as being a highly ranked spot in the army. No Hebrew slaves mentioned in the old Egyptian "paperwork".

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

Actually this make sense. Everyone has seen thoose "grays"? According to evolution scientists we will have larger brains, thinner and smaller bodies, pale skin and big eyes in maybe one million years and that is exactly what one of thoose look likes. We will probobly also have that kind of technology by then.

You think my UFO's story makes sense? I do think so too, but do I think it's true? Probably not, but it makes sense enough to write a book about it. You know, I should write a book about it a start my own cult. Maybe in thousands of years, I'll be considered the only prophet who ever wrote "his" book!! I want to start the Genesis of my book by saying that before becoming the prophet I now am, I was the best goalie EVER and that I hold every records. Not true, but in 3000 years, they may beleive in that. LOL

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Timberwoof

But if you take the Bible literally, then you can't accept the existence of aliens or other worlds at all, for it makes no mention of them.

Just because everything that is in the Bible is true, does not mean everything that is true is in the Bible. Those are two different things.

[Spidey]

Originally Posted by chakal

Because they're humans, coming from the Earth, but not in our time. They come from the future. Future humans may have find a way to come back in time, I don't know how, but they do. That's why they can appear and disappear in a flash without leaving any traces in space. They're already here, but many years ahead of us, many milleniums ahead.

Ok, now, do I believe my own stuff? Not really, but it's the most logical theory so far I came up with. Is it more over-the-top than The whole Exodus story? I don't think so.

I always thought that was a solid idea and thought of that theory myself. Until the whole time paradox thing. Do some reading on time travle paradox and you will start looking at time travle and the Back to the future movies in a whole new light

[Eis]

1.21 gigawatts baby

[elite]

Originally Posted by Bones343

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Refer to Einstein and The Simpsons/Futurama for my take on the subject of aliens and religion.

Ok, let's go to some of Einstein's more direct quotes:

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.

For me the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.

[Bones343]

Originally Posted by elite

Ok, let's go to some of Einstein's more direct quotes:

Bingo. Here are some words of wisdom to ponder, in reference to god.

"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?"

[Bryan]

Originally Posted by Bones343

Bingo. Here are some words of wisdom to ponder, in reference to god.

"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?"

God never expected us to be automatons. He gave use free will. It's our choice to follow him or not.

[elite]

Originally Posted by Bryan

God never expected us to be automatons. He gave use free will. It's our choice to follow him or not.

Considering the free will is controlled by the threat of everlasting torture by fire, we're only allowed to use this "gift" under duress.

Boy, he sure does love us a lot!

[Bones343]

All these darn technicalities. Makes you wonder if there is even really a god!

[goalerjones]

Originally Posted by elite

Considering the free will is controlled by the threat of everlasting torture by fire, we're only allowed to use this "gift" under duress.

Boy, he sure does love us a lot!

If you're travelling to Africa and I tell you how to keep from catching malaria or sleeping sickness, and you ignore my warnings and guidelines and catch either disease, it's on you...I am neither malicious, nor responsable for your affliction.

If God tells you that the end of reality, whcih is eternal life will see you in hell or heaven, the only 2 places there will be when it's all over, and you ignore or mock His leadings, then the destination is up to you and He's off the hook. Heaven is eternity with God, hell is eternity without God. If you don't want, or choose to believe in God, then there is only one other place left to go for eternity-hell.

Rom 1:18-23

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man — and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
NKJV

But this subject isn't new, we've discussed and debated the topic until we both realized there was no politicking possible that could convice someone who really doesn't want to explore the possibility of another reality than the one they've been with from birth.

[habs-fan]

Originally Posted by Foxton

Gimme a break, with all the worlds out there, it's harder to believe that the only place with intelligent life is on Earth.

There is intelligent life on Earth?????