Something about Religion (come on everbody express your opinion!!!)

[icehockeyaf96]

Originally Posted by Ringy

How can you prove that the Torah has remained unchanged for over 2000 years?

Preserving the Accuracy

Throughout all generations, great care was taken to preserve the Torah exactly as it was given by Moses. The scribe is thus given the advice, "Be careful with your task, for it is sacred work -- if you add or subtract a single letter, you will destroy everything." (Talmud)

Since every Torah must be letter perfect, it must be carefully copied from another scroll. It is forbidden to write a single letter without copying it from another Torah.

Moreover, the scribe must repeat every word out loud before writing it down, so as to insure accuracy in copying. This was the custom among the prophets, as we find, "He pronounced all these words for me with his mouth, and I wrote them with ink in the book" (Jeremiah 36:18).

If a Torah or other sacred writings are incorrectly written, it is forbidden to keep them for more than 30 days, lest they be used or copied. After this period, they must be either corrected or hidden. It is thus written, "Do not let wrong remain in your tents" (Job 11:14).

Originally, the Torah and other scripture were so carefully preserved that every letter, word, and sentence was counted. Traditions still exist based on this knowledge.

[Ringy]

I think that some of the people in this thread who are opposing religion are confusing religion with fundamentalism. Not all people who are religious believe in the things you and other people are touting them to believe. I think there are quite a few people on this forum who would be glad to tell you that they don't think everyone is going to hell, we were not all created in 7 days, and that science is faulty (and a sin).

[RCS]

Regardless, religion makes people more pliable to the idea of killing themselves in the name of these "causes".

So, it's religion's fault that people are stupid?

Again, another good argument that would seem to indicate that placing the entire fate of the world strictly in the hands of humans would be a terrible mistake.

[Ringy]

Originally Posted by wjmurray

Regardless, religion makes people more pliable to the idea of killing themselves in the name of these "causes".

And just to be nitpicky, what religion are we talking about here? There are over 100 on this planet that exist and/or used to exist. You can't put all religions under this umbrella.

[wjmurray]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

That's a vastly oversimplistic sentiment. The ancient texts of the Greeks were conserved by the monks during the Dark Ages, diligently transcribing the works of the great doctors and philosophers in the abbeys while the outside world plunged into ignorance. The Catholic Church is directly responsible for the preservation of the works of Aristotle and Plato.

The only reason those works were so diligently preserved is that they were looked upon as authoritative documents. The church read and preserved them and followed them "faithfully" without ever going out and expanding upon the science (biology, astronomy, etc.) that the greeks were responsible for creating. Unlike the Greeks, whose texts they so diligently copied, they were also a population of illiterates because the church was against the classical education that people in the Greek and Roman empires had as part of their lives. Basically, keeping these documents alive was all they did. The population did not benefit from this as the church discouraged literacy and learning by the population and declared all new thoughts and ideas to be herecy, punishable by death.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Swedish goalie

As usual you are an complete idiot and talks about stuff that you have no idea what it is about.

Mmmmm, irony.

Read this!

Okay!!!

90 millions musmlis made a survey and YES they are they same people as we believe or not, nomatter what Faux news wants you to believe

Really the Musmlis made a survey!!!

I stand corrected. You are intelligent and the Mohammedans are all totally peace-loving cheery individuals, and Bush is a Nazi. You can spell correctly, also.

Remember Swede...War is Deceit, sayeth the Koran.

[Tangygoalie40]

i find christianity to be a cult. actually any big religion a cult. i am a SATANIST. i do things be myself to better my life. not pray to a god to help me. if i want forgivness for something i will find it in myself to gain strength to over some it and learn from it. well thats my 2 cents. also. i never restrain myself from the beliefe of the seven deadly sins. i make my life as satisfying as i want.

[RCS]

No, the fact is that being open minded is the very reason that I do not believe in religion or any other fairy tales.

So, your lack of faith is an example of open-mindedness?

It is not being closed minded to realize that belief systems that tell people that the earth is only 6,000 years old

This is a misconception. I don't know how old the earth is, nor do I claim to. Time can be a rather tricky thing.

it's OK to stone people for their sexuality or any other reason

Again, you're confusing religion with religious fanatics. I'm sure we can find numerous examples of scientists who have done things that were less than palatable. Defining anything by its fringed is unfair all around. But that's okay, keep that open mind.

The planes hitting the twin towers were a result of religious zealotry.

And therefore a perfect example of how all religious people are. Your point is made.

Which means, if we're going to play fair, that scientists are all sadistic psychopaths who only want to crush religion in order to determine the indisputable facts about science: Nazi human experimentation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or are these scientists not indicative of science as a whole? By your logic, and "open-mindedness", me believing that all science goes like the above experiments is perfectly justifiable.

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Tangygoalie40

i find christianity to be a cult. actually any big religion a cult. i am a SATANIST.

Well, now we know where Swede and Tangy stand on the religion issue. Great minds think alike.

[RCS]

i do things be myself to better my life.

I'm assuming you meant you do things BY yourself?

Everyone does things by themselves. I don't rely on nor require anyone or anything else to better my life. Again, another misconception.

But this begs the question: why do you better your life? And how far do you go to do these things?

[Thumper]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Stop making authoritative statements on concepts you have absolutely no grasp of.

I have never seen a more 'textbook' example of pot/kettle syndrome.

Thank you......................

[Tangygoalie40]

not much really. i just learn from mistakes and follow what i learned. and yes i ment by myself. lol

[Swedish goalie]

Originally Posted by RyJ Maduro

Mmmmm, irony.


Okay!!!



Really the Musmlis made a survey!!!

I stand corrected. You are intelligent and the Mohammedans are all totally peace-loving cheery individuals, and Bush is a Nazi. You can spell correctly, also.

Remember Swede...War is Deceit, sayeth the Koran.

Its very clear that you didnt read it a all. You are just a racist moron that cant think in a critical way. You are just doing what your parents tells you to do, you cant look at evidence and get to an own conclussion.

Why not kill us europeans? We hate Bush much, much more then we hate Bin ladin

[RyJ Maduro]

Originally Posted by Thumper

I have never seen a more 'textbook' example of pot/kettle syndrome.

Thank you......................

Thumper, have you ever contributed ANYTHING to this board (or life, for that matter) besides one-line quips or crude fauxtochops?

[wjmurray]

Originally Posted by RCS

Which means, if we're going to play fair, that scientists are all sadistic psychopaths who only want to crush religion in order to determine the indisputable facts about science: Nazi human experimentation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or are these scientists not indicative of science as a whole? By your logic, and "open-mindedness", me believing that all science goes like the above experiments is perfectly justifiable.

Considering the fact that the Nazis were also christians, I wouldn't use their experimentation as support of your argument. The Nazis considered themselves to be god's chosen and used this as further justification of their experiments and everything else. A little reading of Hitler's personal writing as well as the Nazi leaders would educate you on these facts.