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A Breakdown of Butterfly Recoveries
A Breakdown of Butterfly Recoveries
As we continue to embark on this analysis of the tactic/save selection that is the butterfly it makes sense to discuss the proper ways to recover from the butterfly position. Throughout this analysis we will discuss how a goaltender can recover to their feet or stay down and use the knee crawl or the backside activation/butterfly slide recovery. Each analysis will examine, as well, the when and why for each type of recovery.
The first thing the goaltender must recognize is that a save was made from the butterfly position, as outlined in “Butterfly Basics”, and that a rebound is present. Strong visual tracking of the puck and immediate post-save response is a must. A post save response is the recognition of the need to reposition once a rebound has occurred. **To eliminate delay in a post-save response a goaltender should work to start moving into a new position within the time it takes for the puck to bounce 12-15 inches away from the body.** As a goaltender recognizes what sort of post-save response is needed they will most likely attempt a recovery in one of the following ways.
There are a number of recoveries that depend on a number of factors, depending on the play, but a goaltender will either recover to their feet/ready stance or stay down and move into the new position required.
RECOVERIES INTO THE READY STANCE
The Backside Recovery (a basic recovery)
Once a goaltender has recognized that a rebound has occurred, and the direction the puck has traveled, it is time to recover into a new position. A backside recovery is one of the basic recoveries from the butterfly position. A breakdown of a backside recovery shows that a goaltender will work in opposites. If a save is made and the rebound has gone to the goaltender’s right the goaltender will begin by lifting the left leg first and then the right leg; all the while maintaining strong body control. By recovering with the backside leg first the goaltender will make the recovery to the feet more efficient. The use of the backside recovery will also benefit the goaltender who may need to reposition from a down position, as will be examined later. The following is an illustration of a backside recovery:
The backside recovery for a rebound that has moved to the goaltender’s right.
The left leg is brought up first.
 The backside recovery for a rebound that has moved to the goaltender’s left.
The right leg is brought up first.
In both examples, the goaltender has maintained strong body, stick and hand position while moving up into the ready stance. **When the backside leg recovering is with the glove side leg it is a good idea for the goaltender to pull the glove back of the pad, while maintaining coverage, rather than lift the glove above the pad causing extra movement and throwing off the balance of the goaltender.** **Notice the goaltender, when recovering with the right leg, has kept the hands forward and stick in proper position.** Once the goaltender has recovered to their feet the are now ready to move into the new position. Remember, backside recoveries work in opposites for greater efficiency.
The Pop-up Recovery ( more advanced)
The pop-up recovery provides the most versatility to a goalie recovering to the ready stance. The pop-up recovery is, basically, bringing both knees up at the same time. The pop-up is the most versatile of recoveries into the ready stance because the goaltender has only made one movement onto the feet and the goaltender can then move in either direction if required. A pop-up is a great recovery if the goaltender has sent a square rebound directly back into the play or has plenty of time to reposition. Let’s take a look at a pop-up sequence for further analysis:
A square rebound is sent out. The goaltender now pops up with both legs.
Notice the stick, hands and body control.
In the case of the pop-up it is important to maintain control, otherwise efficiency is lost. **The more movement (less control) a goaltender uses the more chances something will go wrong.** The goaltender must make sure not to spring the body up by collapsing the torso and then trying to use the momentum of the body to pull them upwards. A pop-up requires strong core and lower body strength. Once a pop-up is finished the goaltender should be back into their basic stance without any extra adjustments.
When should a goaltender recover to their feet/ready stance?
The goaltender should look to recover to their feet if a rebound has moved further than 8-10 feet away from the goaltender. If the rebound stays within the 8-10 foot range the goaltender should consider the use of a down recovery. If the rebound has moved outside the 8-10 foot range the goaltender will have time to recover to the feet or will possibly have to reposition a greater distance. A goaltender can move more powerfully from their feet thus being more efficient on a longer rebound situation. As in most cases the goaltender must find what works best for them but use this as a general guideline and the goaltender will find success.
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06-04-2008, 08:49 PM
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continued
RECOVERIES WHILE STAYING DOWN
One of the biggest adjustments in goaltending has been the introduction of the down recovery. The down recovery is based on the principles that if a rebound is a short distance away from the goaltender it is more efficient, and covers greater amount of net, for the goaltender to knee crawl or use a backside activation/butterfly slide to move into the new position. A down recovery will build coverage from the bottom-up. Since the number of shots are directed to the bottom 1/3 of the net most rebounds will occur low; a down recovery only makes sense.
The Knee Crawl ( a basic down recovery)
Even a beginner goaltender can learn the basic down recovery of the knee crawl. A knee crawl recovery is based on the idea that the goaltender has presented a short rebound where the puck cannot be controlled by an active stick but still requires a short repositioning. Rather than recover to the feet or use a backside activation that opens up numerous holes a knee crawl should be very compact and easy to execute.
In order to execute a strong knee crawl the goaltender must maintain the strengths of the butterfly as outlined in “Butterfly Basics”. With the hands forward, stick with angle, thighs tight, torso high and pads square the goalie will shuffle on their knees to the desired position. The shuffling of the knees should be very quick and short. The goaltender does not want to open the knees any wider than 6 inches at a time while keeping the body unit in control and square to the puck. Again, let’s examine a knee crawl.
Knee crawl for shot that has moved 2 feet to the goalie’s left.
Notice the goaltender has not opened any major holes while staying square.
The knee crawl is a great tool that goaltenders can use on plays that occur close to the net. If the rebound is sent 2-4 feet to either side a goaltender is more likely to make the second save with control. The key to the knee crawl is keeping as many holes closed, as possible, and having a very minimal post-save delay. Patrick Roy was a master of the knee crawl.
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06-04-2008, 08:59 PM
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The end.
Backside Activation/ Butterfly Slide Recoveries (more advanced and dynamic)
The backside activation is the most impressive and dynamic recovery of the down position recoveries. Backside activation involves the goaltender working with opposites, again, just like the backside recoveries. In order to execute a backside activation the goaltender must begin by driving the backside leg up until the entire skate blade is on the inside edge. **A goaltender can drive with more power with the use of a full skate blade than an Overdrive blade. Full skate blade = sharper, longer, more contact with ice to dig in, more leg angle for more power. Overdrive blade = unsharpened, 3 inches of round blade, less contact with ice = less power generated.** Once the backside leg has been drawn under the body and hips the goaltender will push laterally or forward driving the goaltender in the desired direction. The leg that is not used for pushing/thrust will stay completely flush with the ice in a flared position. The lead leg should have “lead flare” to increase coverage and make sliding easier. Once the push has been executed the backside leg must be driven quickly together with the lead leg to seal all holes and create a natural rotation that helps with rebound control. Dwayne Roloson has mastered the butterfly slide rotation.
As with all goaltending movement/save selections the body, hands and stick must maintain control. A stick that drags, sloppy gloves or a lazy backside leg return will take away the effectiveness of the backside recovery. Observe the series below:
The goaltender is using backside activation on a rebound to the right.
Notice the control and save rotation.
While not completely strong, this PeeWee goaltender shows a backside activation on a rebound to the left.
Notice the excellent lead flare.
The backside activation is an important tool in a goaltender’s movement arsenal. While some goaltenders will not use a backside activation as much as others it is still important that all goaltenders are able to perform this recovery effectively and efficiently. Some keys to remember: Keep strong butterfly basics, use lead flare, drive the backside leg back, quickly make sure the push keeps the goalie on angle. An overzealous or powerless backside activation will create more work for the goaltender. The more a goaltender does the more there is to mess up.
When should a goaltender recover while down?
A goaltender needs to keep in mind the two different types of down recoveries and decide on which will be more effective and efficient. If a rebound is within the 2-4 foot range a knee crawl is probably the best recovery option. If a rebound is within the 4-10 foot distance from the goaltender a backside activation is the quickest and most efficient choice for rebound recovery. Of course, if a rebound is sent directly in the same path as the initial shot the goaltender should stay down and hold their ground as they are already in position. These are general guidelines that each goaltender should consider on whether to stay down and what type of recovery they use.
In conclusion, the goaltender who uses a strong butterfly or half butterfly technique should be strong with all types of recoveries without having one side of the body more dominant than the other. The goaltender must have a balanced approach to recoveries with no evidence of a specific weakness. Once again, the goaltender can use this information to load the toolbox increasing chances for success.
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06-05-2008, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by harri1
In the case of the pop-up it is important to maintain control, otherwise efficiency is lost. **The more movement (less control) a goaltender uses the more chances something will go wrong.** The goaltender must make sure not to spring the body up by collapsing the torso and then trying to use the momentum of the body to pull them upwards. A pop-up requires strong core and lower body strength. Once a pop-up is finished the goaltender should be back into their basic stance without any extra adjustments.
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Harri,
by "less control" I am interpreting that as an increase in the period of inertia where it is not possible to change direction if needed. Is that correct or do have an additional description that I am not considering. If I'm not describing this in enough detail I can expand further.
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06-05-2008, 10:20 PM
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Control with the pop-up.
Cuban - When discussing control in regards to the pop-up recovery, as in this part you have quoted, I am only talking about making sure the stick stays in contact with the ice at all times, the hands do not move any higher than where they need to be positioned in the goaltender's ready stance and the goaltender does not have to make any extra adjustments into their ready stance. Basically, if a goaltender is using a pop-up on a sliding save there should be little problem stopping inertia because the goaltender is now on the inside edges of both skates, assuming there is appropriate time to make a recovery into stance.
When talking about control and stopping inertia on a backside activation/butterfly slide there are a few factors that come into play. First, the goaltender must have strong visual contact to the destination target(where the goaltender is sliding to). If visual contact is weak a goaltender may over slide, taking themselves past the new position, which requires an attempt to stop inertia - which requires an opening of holes at inopportune times. Second, the goaltender must recognize whether it is appropriate to use a butterfly slide or a knee crawl recovery. If the space only requires a knee crawl major problems begin to occur. Lastly, control ALWAYS involves controlling the gloves and stick to make up for the opening of holes that is inevitable with all lateral movement, even a knee crawl. We tell our goalies to think back to some of the action figures they had when they were a kid. Some of the action figures such as the classic He-man figure below have a rotation point at the waste.

Control comes from understanding that goalies need to be able to control the upperbody (head, shoulders, hands, and stick) and lowerbody fairly independant of the other(just like the action figure above). A goaltender that cannot control the upper and lower half of the body independant of the other will have troubles opening holes which is especially a problem when plays are in tight and require a down recovery; or even a recovery to stance for that matter.
That is my best shot. Hopefully, this tackles the clarification you are looking for.
Last edited by harri1 : 06-06-2008 at 07:43 AM.
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06-16-2008, 02:13 PM
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I am having difficulty figuring out how to b-fly slide once down in the butterfly (as you third set of pictures show). Usually, I try to push off either left or right and end up turning in a circle. How much of it is dependent on leg strength? What would be good exercises to build up the leg strength? I don't have too much practice time on the ice. I think I have the mechanics of it figured out, but trying to perform it even outside of game situation is very difficult.
Any help would be appreciated.
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06-16-2008, 02:24 PM
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are you using your whole skate or just heel/toe?
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06-16-2008, 03:15 PM
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Using the whole skate. However, I don't feel as though I am getting good contact with the ice. It may also be a strength issue. I don't have the same amount of strength in my thighs that most guys do (being a gal that is).
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06-16-2008, 03:22 PM
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YouTube - Wogtech Goaltending Instructional Video 1/4
watch this video, their is a couple more he made aswell. Im going to say it is more then likelyy the way your push leg is angled or you are twisting your body. your leg could also be to far away to get strenght. strenght won't make you go in circles, it will determine distance, speed and control.
good luck!
also 135 ish, not exactly the same but it can help you, you have to get your leg in the right spot to get the most power.
YouTube - Goalies 7 Zone Drill
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YouTube - goaltending drills
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06-16-2008, 03:40 PM
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Thanks for the info - I'll check it out tonight. 
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06-17-2008, 07:06 AM
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Where does the primary power for the push come from? Where is the weight centered? When I bring the push leg up close to the body, it causes a lot of my weight to shift back. Is my weight still supposed to be forward? Where is the primary power going to on the push foot - heel/mid-foot/toe? Is there a transition of power as one pushes off?
I will have to get out on the ice and practice it more. I am hoping a little more understanding with how the mechanics work will help me to "get it" a little quicker.
Thanks for your patience!
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06-17-2008, 06:45 PM
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Hello I will try my best to help out with this problem you are having...
First, it is extremely important that you use and maintain proper butterfly technique with the hands forward, stick on the ice, thighs tight together, while keeping the upper body high. The butterfly maintains the same line of the basic stance with the shoulders over the knees and the knees over the toes; the only difference is obviously the knees are no longer over the toes.
After the save is made make sure you turn your head to the next target, before you begin your next movement. This is the visual lead. Always give yourself a purpose to your movements by picking a target like a piece of ice, pile of snow, faceoff dot or your most important target, a puck to move to.
Next, you need to drive your push leg up, while keeping the upperbody high, so that the back of your thigh rise is in line with the pectoral muscle on the same side as the push leg. So essentially your knee is in front of you.
Your skates need to be perpendicular to the direction in which you want to go towards. Your skate blade must be in full contact with the ice and must push evenly. Pushing off with your toes and a drive leg that is not perpendicular to your direction of movement, could be why you are spinning. Another reason could be that your drive knee does not come in front of the pectoral on the pushing leg side. If you combine the problems above with a lowered upperbody the problems begin to multiply. Keep the upperbody high the whole time.
Now, once you start to push the lead leg needs to be flared without being uncomfortable, this is where the flexibility of a wide butterfly may come in handy. A flared lead leg provides less resistance, less snow-piling, than a lead that is not flared.
I watched the Wogtech video and found only one area we disagree with which is that the lead leg's knee should NOT come off the ice, even for a split second which is more than enough time for an attacker to slide the puck in. Keep a tight seal with the ice through the whole push.
Once the push is complete, quickly bring in the pushing leg for a tight seal. The whole time proper butterfly basics must be kept.
On the discussion of strength and power. Power takes time to develop. We usually try to get the proper technique down and then work towards adding more power in combination with proper technique which is a lethal combination. We have an 11 year old female student who had this all figured out this winter and just two weekends ago were working with two of the best young female goalies in Saskatchewan and neither of them were very big. You will be able to get this down, just be patient. Once the movement is done correctly try to remember the feeling physically and mentally of that accomplishment and do some extra reps, if possible, to ensure the neural pathways are created.
Marking, here I come.
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06-18-2008, 06:42 AM
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Thank you for your response - makes sense. Now, just to get the technique down ... 
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06-18-2008, 08:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harri1
Hello I will try my best to help out with this problem you are having...
First, it is extremely important that you use and maintain proper butterfly technique with the hands forward, stick on the ice, thighs tight together, while keeping the upper body high. The butterfly maintains the same line of the basic stance with the shoulders over the knees and the knees over the toes; the only difference is obviously the knees are no longer over the toes.
After the save is made make sure you turn your head to the next target, before you begin your next movement. This is the visual lead. Always give yourself a purpose to your movements by picking a target like a piece of ice, pile of snow, faceoff dot or your most important target, a puck to move to.
Next, you need to drive your push leg up, while keeping the upperbody high, so that the back of your thigh rise is in line with the pectoral muscle on the same side as the push leg. So essentially your knee is in front of you.
Your skates need to be perpendicular to the direction in which you want to go towards. Your skate blade must be in full contact with the ice and must push evenly. Pushing off with your toes and a drive leg that is not perpendicular to your direction of movement, could be why you are spinning. Another reason could be that your drive knee does not come in front of the pectoral on the pushing leg side. If you combine the problems above with a lowered upperbody the problems begin to multiply. Keep the upperbody high the whole time.
Now, once you start to push the lead leg needs to be flared without being uncomfortable, this is where the flexibility of a wide butterfly may come in handy. A flared lead leg provides less resistance, less snow-piling, than a lead that is not flared.
I watched the Wogtech video and found only one area we disagree with which is that the lead leg's knee should NOT come off the ice, even for a split second which is more than enough time for an attacker to slide the puck in. Keep a tight seal with the ice through the whole push.
Once the push is complete, quickly bring in the pushing leg for a tight seal. The whole time proper butterfly basics must be kept.
On the discussion of strength and power. Power takes time to develop. We usually try to get the proper technique down and then work towards adding more power in combination with proper technique which is a lethal combination. We have an 11 year old female student who had this all figured out this winter and just two weekends ago were working with two of the best young female goalies in Saskatchewan and neither of them were very big. You will be able to get this down, just be patient. Once the movement is done correctly try to remember the feeling physically and mentally of that accomplishment and do some extra reps, if possible, to ensure the neural pathways are created.
Marking, here I come.
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I agree with Travis on this point 100%.
Lifting the knee off the ice was one of the critiques I had with the "Prohybrid" DVD... when making the pivot and push from his knees, the goalie in that video would lift off the ice which is a tactical mistake in my opinion. The reason the goalie would stay on the ice in a slide is because a shot is imminent. Otherwise he should get back to his feet and t-push or shuffle.
One of the dumbest trends I see with young goalies these days is what I call the "Tim Thomas syndrome". The TTS is simply over-using the butterfly slide when a recovery is called for. An example would be a cross ice dump where the goalie should simply pivot and t-push. Too many goalies pivot and butterfly slide over which is just a waste of energy. To his credit. Thomas realized this is dumb and cleaned up his game significantly in that respect.
Wellsie
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