Rayzilla's Vortek VK5/7 Wish List.

[RCS]

I'm going off of a couple old posts I've read here, but I think with the pattern of the weave, there's less surface-to-surface contact and thus less friction between the two surfaces. In theory, at least, I would think the weave "should" slide better. In real life? Maybe it's not that clear cut.

[bc30]

It doesn't matter - they are the same material - they slide the same.

People who like how weave looks think it slides better, people who think plain jenpro looks better claim it slides better.

Everybody's new pads slide better than their old ones - for some reason, they want to believe it is because they chose one material over the other, instead of the old vs. new factor.

One last time - it is the same stuff - there is no difference in sliding ability between weave/robocop and plain.

[RCS]

It doesn't matter - they are the same material - they slide the same.

I don't think that's necessarily true. The pattern is going to make them different. How much different, I really don't know. I would agree the difference is likely pretty small, but there will still be a difference.

Kind of like saying you should be able to take your house on your next camping trip because it's made out of wood, just like your canoe.

[Rayzilla]

Originally Posted by bc30

It doesn't matter - they are the same material - they slide the same...

Call me stubborn. I guess that I don't totally agree with this because they are 'different' in some ways. I guess my analogy to this would be leather and suede. I believe suede is also another form of leather, but not 'pressed' or further treated... If you were to slide pressed leather and suede on ice, you would get a lot more slide with the pressed leather.

So I wouldl liken the pressed leather to the weave...

Does this make sense?

And any response to my VK5 glove question above?

[RCS]

Ray, I'm with you on the differences in the weave and jenpro.

As far the gloves, I really don't know. The one I have I think is a non-pro palm...in about a month or so when my VK7s are set to arrive I may have some input. Not sure if that will be too late or not...?

[flavio]

Originally Posted by RCS

I'm going off of a couple old posts I've read here, but I think with the pattern of the weave, there's less surface-to-surface contact and thus less friction between the two surfaces. In theory, at least, I would think the weave "should" slide better. In real life? Maybe it's not that clear cut.

If that's the case, then the weave won't last as long, as less material is taking more of a beating.

Either way, I think that if there is a difference, it would be hardly noticeable.

F.

[RCS]

Flavio, you're probably right on both counts.

[Vision]

rayzilla,
are you asking if it changes where the break is or how it will ultimately close?

::m

[hroark2112]

Originally Posted by ryanduffy33

weave slides alot better mike vaughn proved it with cam ward! they las t almost the exact same

Cam Ward is a terrible example to use regarding material longevity. He goes through an average of 6 sets of pads a season. That's not longevity at all. As far as sliding, Cam lost 20+ lbs. before the season started and worked on his leg strength, so any change in sliding ability was FAR overshadowed by weight loss and strength increases.

[ryanduffy33]

Originally Posted by hroark2112

Cam Ward is a terrible example to use regarding material longevity. He goes through an average of 6 sets of pads a season. That's not longevity at all. As far as sliding, Cam lost 20+ lbs. before the season started and worked on his leg strength, so any change in sliding ability was FAR overshadowed by weight loss and strength increases.

excuse m i dont see you saying anything heard that at a hockey shop

[hroark2112]

Originally Posted by ryanduffy33

excuse m i dont see you saying anything heard that at a hockey shop

OK...you heard it at a hockey shop...

The Vaughn rep who outfits Cam Ward has posted here on the board that he had personally delivered Cam's 6th set of pads last season. I'll take his word for it over "I heard it in a hockey shop" from you.

As far as his weight loss and strength training, it was all covered before the start of the season last year, both here on the board and on the Carolina Hurricanes website. He went on a big fruit & veggie kick, lost a bunch of weight, and worked the plyometrics hard with Rod Brind'Amour in the off-season. As a backup source of information, I play hockey regularly with the Hurricanes assistant strength & fitness trainer, so we all get the inside scoop in the locker room when he's feeling talkative.

Consider your sources, and learn to communicate in a coherent manner before you post again please!!!

[Rayzilla]

Originally Posted by Vision

rayzilla,
are you asking if it changes where the break is or how it will ultimately close?

::m

To tell you the truth, I don't know what I am asking.

The reason why I am asking is because I have tried two regular palm VK5 gloves and they both feel great. I have only experienced a few stingers here and there that I am willing to take. But I have also tried on the VK7 glove that has a pro palm as a standard.

It didn't feel the same in my opinion, although some others disagree. Just for me, the VK7 didn't feel the same as my VK5, nor did I like it as much. I didn't think that the pro palm would change the break, so I guess I would think that it's closer to the "how it will ultimately close" part that I am suspecting.

As you see above, I am opting for something that is in between the regular VK5 palm and the pro palm. What do you think of that?

Thanks in advance.

[B529G]

Originally Posted by Beazil

??? Well, I guess I still can contribute something, although it contradicts what Ryan's written.

I'd suggest jenpro as opposed to weave. Weave has a texture, while jenpro is smooth. Smooth suggests easier to slide. In my experience this has been the case, but I have the right to be wrong.

Your logic makes sense, but that isn't the case. When anyting slides on ice, it is actually sliding on a thin layer of water that acts as a lubricant caused by the heat of the friction it creates...... that is what makes ice slippery. The weave, having texture, creates more friction which creates more water or more lubricant, which makes them slide better. Anyways..... enough of that..... get jenpro, it lasts longer and looks better.

[bc30]

Originally Posted by Rayzilla

Call me stubborn. I guess that I don't totally agree with this because they are 'different' in some ways. I guess my analogy to this would be leather and suede. I believe suede is also another form of leather, but not 'pressed' or further treated... If you were to slide pressed leather and suede on ice, you would get a lot more slide with the pressed leather.

So I wouldl liken the pressed leather to the weave...

Does this make sense?

The differences are nowhere near as pronounced as the difference between suede and smooth leathers.

Weave is just jenpro with a pattern painted on top. The underlying material is the same. The difference in sliding properties from one to the other is infinitessimal.

[Crease_Flounder]

Originally Posted by bc30

The differences are nowhere near as pronounced as the difference between suede and smooth leathers.

Weave is just jenpro with a pattern painted on top. The underlying material is the same. The difference in sliding properties from one to the other is infinitessimal.

I'm pretty sure the weave pattern is a result of the jenpro being woven and is not a print. All the weave stuff I have has a texture you can feel.

Johnny